Should the Right to vote be limited?

Disillusioned democrat

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Why not champion the return to a property ownership condition and while you are at it limit the right to vote to property owning womem over 35,with the consent of their male owners (parish priest, husband, father, brother, son, etc) naturally?

The present system has its faults but it is a hell of a lot better than your insane suggestions.
The main faults with the current system lie deep within the elected, not the electorate.
 


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So speaks the Kosher Conservative...This video of the French Monarchist pop band (yes such exist) Les Brigandes really captures what Kosher Conservatism means to me.

[video=youtube;Ec4DqgtybTg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4DqgtybTg[/video]
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ITT there is discussion of disenfranchising civil servants.

What has this site become?
 

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It wouldn't be so hard to devise a system where citizens had to answer a few basic questions before their vote was cast. It would not have to be a system where some get to vote and others do not, simply a system whereby of you don't know what is going on around you don't get a say.

If people have a problem with this, all they have to do is find out what is happening in the world around them once in a while. If a person couldn't be bothered to do that why on earth should they be allowed equal influence over those who do?
 

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It wouldn't be so hard to devise a system where citizens had to answer a few basic questions before their vote was cast. It would not have to be a system where some get to vote and others do not, simply a system whereby of you don't know what is going on around you don't get a say.

If people have a problem with this, all they have to do is find out what is happening in the world around them once in a while. If a person couldn't be bothered to do that why on earth should they be allowed equal influence over those who do?

Most people who bother voting are aware of what is going on around them and vote accordingly even if it's for parish pump reasons..
 

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ITT there is discussion of disenfranchising civil servants.

What has this site become?
I definitely do NOT think that Civil Servants should be disenfranchised. In fact a lot of moaning about teachers in the ROI been given a sort of just wage on here in part inspired the OP.
 

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ITT there is discussion of disenfranchising civil servants.

What has this site become?
A vehicle to expose the rot at the heart of official Ireland.?
 

enuffisenuff

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and it all falls down when politicians get at the trough..
 

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It's not even a poor second, it's a none finisher.

Anyone want to travel back 100+ years with me and as the Suffragettes whether they thought being "allowed" to vote was essential?

And here we are debating which of the untouchables we'd stop from voting...ugh.
We don't allow everyone to vote. So the franchise isn't universal. Convicted Prisoners can't vote. We don't allow children for example because they are incapable of making rational decisions. But we allow fully grown adults who are incapable of making rational decisions. What is the difference?
 

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We don't allow everyone to vote. So the franchise isn't universal. Convicted Prisoners can't vote. We don't allow children for example because they are incapable of making rational decisions. But we allow fully grown adults who are incapable of making rational decisions. What is the difference?
Yes they can
 

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I'm not sure the yanks would be my go to guys for election quality or voting rights...they seem dodgy alot of the time.
Er, yes. I put up that link to support your point
 

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I believe that ideally only those who are of good will which in this case means that they put the interests of the common good before their own narrow personal ones when making political decisions and those of at least a basic degree of rationality (Im not talking about IQ- there are very many people with high IQs who are deeply irrational) should have any Politcial Rights. Do people here think it would be possible to create tests that could show whether people or not possessed these virtues even if they choose to lie on them? Scientology is evil but they are all sorts of ingenius tests that show up people's psychological and emotional weakenesses even if they are trying to hide them.

I think if such tests could be created and passing them made a necesscity if you were to get the right to vote even under current circumstances it would greatly improve the quality of our politics given how so much of it has now been reduced to people seeking to serve their pretty greeds and allowing the puppet masters of the media and capitalist entertainment industry to play their emotions like a violin (and what a hordid sound they produce off them most of the time).
One problem with these proposals is that the kinds of people who make them tend to be precisely the same ones who would be disenfranchised, were the idea to be put into practice.
 

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One problem with these proposals is that the kinds of people who make them tend to be precisely the same ones who would be disenfranchised, were the idea to be put into practice.
'Problem' you say?
 

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Do I want people to be well informed and capable ye of courses, but too much of this smacks of limiting people who others don't want to hear from.
Well then let's discuss with it between those clear limits. Hanging on to precious and pointless notions that we can't modify what we have, for fear of ending up in hell is a guaranteed way to have that system abused and subverted.
 

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It wouldn't be so hard to devise a system where citizens had to answer a few basic questions before their vote was cast. It would not have to be a system where some get to vote and others do not, simply a system whereby of you don't know what is going on around you don't get a say.

If people have a problem with this, all they have to do is find out what is happening in the world around them once in a while. If a person couldn't be bothered to do that why on earth should they be allowed equal influence over those who do?
I said at the time of eVoting that a quick 10 random question multiple choice quiz at ballot time - covering history and economics, civics, etc. would be a great way to weight votes. Score 10 out of 10 and get a full vote, score 5 out of 10 and effectively half your vote gets eliminated. 0 out of 10 and you still get to vote, it just doesn't get counted.
 

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Most people who bother voting are aware of what is going on around them and vote accordingly even if it's for parish pump reasons..
Well most people are convinced of that alright. If they are voting for parish pump reasons alone then no, they don't really fully comprehend what is going on.

For instance in referendums people will constantly talk about the lack of information being given to them as opposed to bothering to do a very simple search online. If having seen the information they still don't understand what is happening why on earth should they have a say?

t might be an idea whereby people can honestly state on a ballot paper that they don't understand the issues for reasons such as the above and such votes should be counted toward the validity of the election or otherwise.
 


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