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Should the Vatican be moved to Brazil?


seabhcan

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Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
 

ruserious

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Mary Byrd Land would be too near.
 

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Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
Not San Paolo, should be San Pedro at least!

But, if you go around claiming power in the name of St. Peter it would be a bit of a giveaway at this point to stop doing it in the place assumed to be on top of St. Peter's tomb.
 

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It's a relic of Antiquity. Rome was then the capital of the Roman Empire so logically, they decided to base the Papacy there. However its presence in Rome is also symbolic of a Church stuck in the Dark Ages on doctrinal and moral issues.
 

Lempo

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It's a relic of Antiquity. Rome was then the capital of the Roman Empire so logically, they decided to base the Papacy there. However its presence in Rome is also symbolic of a Church stuck in the Dark Ages on doctrinal and moral issues.
When's 'then'? It was Emperor Constantine who made Christiany a big deal in the Roman Empire and coincidentally the same guy who moved the capital to Constantinople.
 

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When's 'then'? It was Emperor Constantine who made Christiany a big deal in the Roman Empire and coincidentally the same guy who moved the capital to Constantinople.
Constantinople was created after the Edict of Milan tolerating Christianity.
 

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Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
It is likely he didn't visit Rome as the documentary evidence is exactly nothing, except some traditions. However, that's an argument from silence, and that sort of argument is not the wisest basis for any claims. Anyhow, there is a little evidence that Peter had some role in Rome's early Christianity. Brazil's Catholic Church has had to introduce priests who rap and dance (at the same time) to fight Evangelical or Pentecostal Christianity. The Pope would have to ditch the Godly gear and wear a hoodie and trainers instead.

Also I think the Vatican State does a better job with heritage than the Italian State.
 

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Constantinople was created after the Edict of Milan tolerating Christianity.
It was a genuine question after the assumed year, not a bullish!t call. I didn't bother to look it up myself, that's all. But surely Byzantium was there at the place before already, it was more of a name change?
 

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The Pope is the bishop of Rome and Catholics believe that position is inseparable from his position as head of the RCC because Catholic believe that as well as been the first pope Peter was the first bishop of Rome. Actually this raises another question before becoming bishop of Rome, Peter was said to be the bishop of Antioch and if this was the case then presumably the position of bishop of Rome and Pope are separable. But why would a Pope want to do such a thing? The pope is head of a sovereign state and has a large property complex in Rome to house the Curia's bureaucracy.
 

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It was a genuine question after the assumed year, not a bullish!t call. I didn't bother to look it up myself, that's all. But surely Byzantium was there at the place before already, it was more of a name change?
Yes it was a name change. But the capital wasn't moved until 18 yrs after Constantine's conversion.
 

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Foreign Affairs, perhaps? None of the places or states of mind called Rome, Brazil, or the dusty Middle East are within Irish territorial waters according to my reliable sources at the UN.

Great fun though watching the mods at politics.ie not realising when they are hosting a cult agenda to reinforce the notion that this organisation is in any way Irish either in source or administration.

Next week I may take a leaf out of the cultists's books and launch a thread in 'Irish Cult and Community' on the Ford Fiesta on the basis that it has been a part of Irish culture and community for a long time now...

I honestly don't know whether it is because of a bit of 'issue snowblindness' by administrators here but if not it is quite funny watching the cult community slipping Roman/middle eastern madderies of one description or another into a green coat and sliding it across the forum as somehow an 'Irish'issue.

It is no wonder the country is notorious for being easy to fool. Dress it in green and tell 'em its traditional- poor bastards wouldn't know the differ.
 

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Firstly; why would they move when they possess the Vatican state? I doubt the government of Brazil would favour carving out a new state for the church in their territory.

Secondly; with the increase in technology and the speed of travel, it's not necessary to move the leadership of Catholicism closer to the highest number of converts.

Thirdly; I don't know if you're actually serious?
 

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Jesus would have passed through Rome on his way to France where he supposedly lived out his days. This would have been after he was rescued from the cross by his followers and secreted out of Palestine.
 

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The Ford Fiesta was originally called the Ford O'Fiesta you know. Anyways I'm out if this thread before its pointlessness brings me to mischief with it. Enjoy the wind and water of it all...
 

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Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
A move like that would give a whole new meaning to 'The boys from Brazil'.

I think the Vatican should move to Africa and thhe Vatican be turned into high end shopping boutiques and a rememberance area to the millions of children raped worldwide by people controlled from the Vatican.
 
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Firstly; why would they move when they possess the Vatican state? I doubt the government of Brazil would favour carving out a new state for the church in their territory.

Secondly; with the increase in technology and the speed of travel, it's not necessary to move the leadership of Catholicism closer to the highest number of converts.

Thirdly; I don't know if you're actually serious?
Fourthly, leaving Europe would be seen as a huge surrender.

Anyway, don't they have a franchise operation already in Brazil?
 

seabhcan

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Firstly; why would they move when they possess the Vatican state? I doubt the government of Brazil would favour carving out a new state for the church in their territory.

Secondly; with the increase in technology and the speed of travel, it's not necessary to move the leadership of Catholicism closer to the highest number of converts.

Thirdly; I don't know if you're actually serious?
1st: The vatican has only been a 'state' since the Fascists granted them that status in the 30's. For all the millennia before it was an NGO. It doesn't need to be a state.

2nd: Sure, you can fly to a place, but any business man knows you don't get to understand a local market by jetting in - you have to live there.

3rd: Why wouldn't I be serious? The Vatican is currently debating whether to select someone from the 3rd world to become pope - so that person can live the rest of their life in Rome. Far be it for me to question the thinking processes of catholics, but that is illogical.
 

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Why is the Vatican, that centerpoint of the teachings of Christ, be in Rome? The reasons are historic - Jesus, of course, never visited Rome. But in those far off days, Rome was the center of political power.

Why is the Vatican still in Rome? Most catholics don't live in Europe, never mind Italy or Rome. The greatest growth in new Catholics are in the 3rd world, the greatest declines are in Europe. If Catholicism were a business, it would long ago have relocated its decision making center to follow the growth.

Are there any religious reasons why the new pope shouldn't simply move the Vatican to San Paulo?
stupid topic. it will never happen.
not that the labour party would be bothered where vatican hq is located
 
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