Should Turkey be allowed enter the EU?



midlander12

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Yes. Turkey would have to accept the full acquis communitaire of the European Union before it became a full member.

This means that it would have to introduce a certain standard of equality and human rights legislation and give practical effect to this legislation.

This would be good for the Turkish people and would show that a predominantly Muslim country can be a modern, secular democracy, treated as an equal by 'western' countries.

That would be an effective argument against extreme Islamists who argue that liberal, secular democracy cannot work in countries where the majority of the population are Muslim.
I actually burst out laughing when I read this. Were we really that naïve a mere 10 years ago?
 

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It lacks the commitment to democracy.

It lacks the commitment to human rights.

It is not in Europe. So what would a country that is not in Europe be doing in the European Union? If not, why not bring in Jordan, Israel, Sudan or anywhere else. The EU is not the Eurovision Song Contest.

In any case no new countries should be allowed to join for a generation. The EU is struggling to cope with the new members it foolishly took in, a number of whom, notably Poland, barely fits the criteria of a shared commitment to shared values. It needs to put a complete hold on enlargement until the current EU beds down economically, structurally and politically.
......although others showed some quite prescient realism.
 

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Hes just banned dating TV shows, says they undermine "the family". Also hes sacked another 4000 civil servants.

Turkey sacks 4,000 more officials in coup-bid crackdown - BBC News

......The ban on TV dating programmes follows a warning in March by Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus that the shows do not fit in with Turkish traditions and customs.
"There are some strange programmes that would scrap the institution of family, take away its nobility and sanctity," he said at the time.
Critics of Turkey's governing Justice and Development Party (AKP) say they fear the country is sliding toward conservative Islam under Mr Erdogan.
However, AKP supporters say dating shows receive thousands of complaints and the ban is in the public interest......
 

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Any comment from Dick Roche on the pursuits of his freinds in Ankara ?

There are now doing the level of control that Boss Haughey could have dreamed of and never attain.
 

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Any comment from Dick Roche on the pursuits of his freinds in Ankara ?

There are now doing the level of control that Boss Haughey could have dreamed of and never attain.

.......and what about Dermot (Blasphemy) Ahern's "EU bridge to the Middle East ?
 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/858352644599033856

Turkish president issues 2 executive decrees, shutting down 1 newspaper, 1 magazine, 14 associations, 13 health clinics and 18 foundations.

484 academics and 98 administrative university personnel were fired.

3,939 public workers were fired.

216 health workers -- doctors, nurses, midwives -- were fired.

447 officers from Turkish Air Force were fired.

141 officers from Navy, including 13 colonels, were fired.

1,127 personnel from Justice Ministry --judges, court clerks and prison guards --were fired.
 

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Not while Turkey is ruled by a dictator who promulgates Islam above other beliefs.

Pity that constitutional change passed, on the other hand if it hadn't then there'd be pogroms - well there are pogroms anyway.

I note Erdogan has now banned dating shows on TV :roll:

Erdogan must go for someone better and who has Ataturk's vision for Turkey.
 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/858352644599033856

Turkish president issues 2 executive decrees, shutting down 1 newspaper, 1 magazine, 14 associations, 13 health clinics and 18 foundations.

484 academics and 98 administrative university personnel were fired.

3,939 public workers were fired.

216 health workers -- doctors, nurses, midwives -- were fired.

447 officers from Turkish Air Force were fired.

141 officers from Navy, including 13 colonels, were fired.

1,127 personnel from Justice Ministry --judges, court clerks and prison guards --were fired.
Why were the health clinics closed? And why were 216 health workes fired?

Given these numbers you mention, and the numbers of other people he has already fired and/or gaoled, Erdogan is building up a massive opposition. I hope they have the strength and wherewithal to fight back successfully.
 

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If Erdogan keeps this up the Mosques in Turkey will be at Tehran attendance levels ( circa 10%).

Make Secularism Desireable Again !!!!
 

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Turkey announces new school curriculum banning direct references to evolution. It also teaches jihad as the "love of homeland".

Turkish students are already globally ranked “below average” in science, mathematics and reading compared to their peers across the world.

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Uproar in Turkey over plan to remove evolution and Darwin from high school biology classes http://apne.ws/lGBHEl6

.....Education Minister Ismet Yilmaz said the new “value-based” program had simplified topics in “harmonization with students’ development.” He said evolutionary biology, which his ministry deemed was too advanced for high school, would still be taught in universities.

Evolution has been taught in 12th-grade biology classes in a chapter called “The Beginning of Life and Evolution.” The unit will be replaced by “Living Beings and the Environment” in September 2018 where evolutionary mechanisms like adaptation, mutation and natural and artificial selection will be taught without a mention of evolution or Darwin.

Yilmaz said students would learn the nature of being, including “evolution and other ontological opinions” in 11th-grade philosophy.

Other contentious changes include teaching about jihad or holy war in religion classes as the “love of homeland,” and a lessened emphasis on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish republic who is revered by Turkey’s secularists. Ataturk instituted the separation of state and religion, but President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s party has challenged that strict split with a more religious approach.....
 

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Turkey announces new school curriculum banning direct references to evolution. It also teaches jihad as the "love of homeland".

Turkish students are already globally ranked “below average” in science, mathematics and reading compared to their peers across the world.

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Uproar in Turkey over plan to remove evolution and Darwin from high school biology classes http://apne.ws/lGBHEl6
When has islam and science gone together unfortunately Turkey under Erdogan is far removed from its days of being a secular state.
 


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