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Should voting in LEs and GEs be compulsory



bells of shando

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why does no candidate allege this fraud is happening? 'quote.'

Try this for size;
Mainstream Media in Ireland is politically controlled and works on the mushroom principal,' 'keep the mugs in the dark, and feed them horse manure,'
 

Baron von Biffo

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why does no candidate allege this fraud is happening? 'quote.'

Try this for size;
Mainstream Media in Ireland is politically controlled and works on the mushroom principal,' 'keep the mugs in the dark, and feed them horse manure,'
And how did he ever get the job? I mean, he wasn't even a good teacher ffs!
 

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I was reading an article the other week about the Euro and Local elections, specifically about voter turnout and entire swathes of society that didn't engage at all.

We often wonder why we keep returning to the same old politics, over and over again and I'm beginning to believe it's down to voter management rather than policies.

A sure cure for this would be making voting compulsory as they do in many countries already:


Low turnout and pockets of concentrated party allegiances is distorting the actual democratic process - if I were one of the rag tag collection of small parties in Ireland I'd start agitating collectively for a law to make voting compulsory. The "democrats" would struggle to argue against it and the general public should in theory welcome it.
Definitely yes and cuts out the attitude of "ah shure - it makes no difference".

And Irish people abroad should be allowed/able to vote also - RTE showed Romanian citizens in Ireland queuing (at the Romanian Embassy or Post Office?) to vote in their Referendum/Elections! Obviously, Romania is far more democratic than this little corrupt island, as the established political parties want to keep political representation a closed shop for their own cronies.

Voter apathy and low turnouts suit the established parties as their 'faithful' will turn out hail, rain, or snow, and it is in their interests to dumb down full voter participation - the recent local and Euro elections the perfect example: the same old candidates running for the main parties, regardless of reputation or ability, and easily being elected - why would they want this gravy train halted.

And the established parties, and their specially selected agents, crucially, control the ballot boxes following the elections.
 
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DRUNKENSEIN

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I was reading an article the other week about the Euro and Local elections, specifically about voter turnout and entire swathes of society that didn't engage at all.

We often wonder why we keep returning to the same old politics, over and over again and I'm beginning to believe it's down to voter management rather than policies.

A sure cure for this would be making voting compulsory as they do in many countries already:


Low turnout and pockets of concentrated party allegiances is distorting the actual democratic process - if I were one of the rag tag collection of small parties in Ireland I'd start agitating collectively for a law to make voting compulsory. The "democrats" would struggle to argue against it and the general public should in theory welcome it.

Quite pointless,ok ,most people not voting is because of laziness.However if someone doesn't have any faith in politicians and parties,it's perfectly ok for them not to vote.If you make it compulsory,then if there's a none of the above option fine.Otherwise people will spoil their ballot or refuse to vote and pay a fine.
 

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SF IRA puppet wants to talk about the law
Butcher boy, you're the one who refuses to condemn " line through that "supports the killing of innocent members of the nationalist community by British state forces and their proxies. How very law abiding of you!
 

Baron von Biffo

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Quite pointless,ok ,most people not voting is because of laziness.However if someone doesn't have any faith in politicians and parties,it's perfectly ok for them not to vote.If you make it compulsory,then if there's a none of the above option fine.Otherwise people will spoil their ballot or refuse to vote and pay a fine.
Spoiled votes show how many idiots turn up to vote.

A 'None of the above' option would show how many sanctimonious idiots turned up to vote.
 

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Is it really just laziness or idiocy that causes so many people to spoil their votes or not vote at all.

Two main almost identical parties have held power since the state came into being.

Anyone who raises a dissenting view is silenced by the power of the govt/ media group speak.

The housing crisis for the middle and low paid and the health waiting lists for those without private insurance are each a colossal disgrace but get crocodile tears and pretend ‘emergency’ status from those who will never be affected by them.

Perhaps it has become a waste of energy to try to bring change much less justice to our country.
Maybe expecting change when the choice of parties is FF or FG or the latest wheeze FGFF is simply a foolish hope.
 

Disillusioned democrat

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Is it really just laziness or idiocy that causes so many people to spoil their votes or not vote at all.

Two main almost identical parties have held power since the state came into being.

Anyone who raises a dissenting view is silenced by the power of the govt/ media group speak.

The housing crisis for the middle and low paid and the health waiting lists for those without private insurance are each a colossal disgrace but get crocodile tears and pretend ‘emergency’ status from those who will never be affected by them.

Perhaps it has become a waste of energy to try to bring change much less justice to our country.
Maybe expecting change when the choice of parties is FF or FG or the latest wheeze FGFF is simply a foolish hope.
There's a lot of logic in this post, hence my contention that the only way it'll change is if everyone has to vote.

People vote "for" something - so the middle class, home owning professionals doing well out of the status quo will vote to keep things just as they are, but people don't seem to vote "against" things, so shrug their shoulders and say "sure they're all the same", which is effectively exactly what FFFG want us to do.

It would be far easier for new ideas, new people, etc., to enter politics if there was a large chunk of the vote to fight for - for example 70% of the population "say" they're dissatisfied with FFFG, but when 50% of the population comes out to vote the 30% who doing well from FFFG will effectively be the majority.

If everyone had to vote the 30% with a vested interest in what are clearly dysfunctional policies would immediately be a minority and smaller parties and independents would have 70% to win over with good policies, good candidates, etc.
 

Baron von Biffo

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Is it really just laziness or idiocy that causes so many people to spoil their votes or not vote at all.
Yes.

Two main almost identical parties have held power since the state came into being.
That's a product of democracy. More people vote for them so they spend more time in government.

Anyone who raises a dissenting view is silenced by the power of the govt/ media group speak.
Bilge!

We have every sort of crank and crackpot in the Dail. Any adult who wants to can get their name on the ballot.

The housing crisis for the middle and low paid and the health waiting lists for those without private insurance are each a colossal disgrace but get crocodile tears and pretend ‘emergency’ status from those who will never be affected by them.

Perhaps it has become a waste of energy to try to bring change much less justice to our country.
Maybe expecting change when the choice of parties is FF or FG or the latest wheeze FGFF is simply a foolish hope.
Ask the voters to put you in the Dail. Ask like minded people to form a party with you and fight a GE campaign.
 

Baron von Biffo

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There's a lot of logic in this post, hence my contention that the only way it'll change is if everyone has to vote.

People vote "for" something - so the middle class, home owning professionals doing well out of the status quo will vote to keep things just as they are, but people don't seem to vote "against" things, so shrug their shoulders and say "sure they're all the same", which is effectively exactly what FFFG want us to do.

It would be far easier for new ideas, new people, etc., to enter politics if there was a large chunk of the vote to fight for - for example 70% of the population "say" they're dissatisfied with FFFG, but when 50% of the population comes out to vote the 30% who doing well from FFFG will effectively be the majority.

If everyone had to vote the 30% with a vested interest in what are clearly dysfunctional policies would immediately be a minority and smaller parties and independents would have 70% to win over with good policies, good candidates, etc.
So 30% have a vested interest in 'clearly dysfunctional policies' and 70% have a vested interest in 'good policies' yet it's the 30% that prevails.

Funny that. Could it be that the 70% don't share your view of what's good for them?
 

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So 30% have a vested interest in 'clearly dysfunctional policies' and 70% have a vested interest in 'good policies' yet it's the 30% that prevails.

Funny that. Could it be that the 70% don't share your view of what's good for them?
Until there's compulsory voting we'll never know - that's the whole point.

30% run the country as they see fit because 50% couldn't be arsed voting, leaving the 20% of voters who oppose FFFG feeling bewildered that we've elected a government that appears happy with crap housing, crap healthcare and a dysfunctional justice system.
 

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Until there's compulsory voting we'll never know - that's the whole point.

30% run the country as they see fit because 50% couldn't be arsed voting, leaving the 20% of voters who oppose FFFG feeling bewildered that we've elected a government that appears happy with crap housing, crap healthcare and a dysfunctional justice system.
Have u ever thought that the 20% realise that no matter how much money is pumped into the health system, that by a magic wand the housing system will not be fixed.

That unlike your so called
"smaller parties and independents would have 70% to win over with good policies, good candidates, etc."

Could be a lot worse with the pie in the SKY ideas and leave this country in a lot worse situation than we are at the moment.
 

Baron von Biffo

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Until there's compulsory voting we'll never know - that's the whole point.

30% run the country as they see fit because 50% couldn't be arsed voting, leaving the 20% of voters who oppose FFFG feeling bewildered that we've elected a government that appears happy with crap housing, crap healthcare and a dysfunctional justice system.
Bloody democracy.
 

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Irish political Parties, do not represent the majority of the electorate. A minority vote can return the same old stale archaic FF/FG. because of the apathy of the electorate and the failure of a true Irish Party, representing the concerns of the native population.
For a short while , SF seemed to offer an alternative, despite their armed struggle baggage.
Somehow they have done a 180 degree turn from traditional conservative national policies and gone full Cultural Marxist with the adoption of LGBTX, Multiculturism. Abortion rights, mass immigration open borders and support for the Globalist programme of the EU.
This has been a huge strategic mistake, from which they will not recover.
Recent election results ,show that SF are no longer the alternative and I predict they will fade into an irrelevant rump in the Dail.
 

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Irish political Parties, do not represent the majority of the electorate. A minority vote can return the same old stale archaic FF/FG. because of the apathy of the electorate and the failure of a true Irish Party, representing the concerns of the native population.
For a short while , SF seemed to offer an alternative, despite their armed struggle baggage.
Somehow they have done a 180 degree turn from traditional conservative national policies and gone full Cultural Marxist with the adoption of LGBTX, Multiculturism. Abortion rights, mass immigration open borders and support for the Globalist programme of the EU.
This has been a huge strategic mistake, from which they will not recover.
Recent election results ,show that SF are no longer the alternative and I predict they will fade into an irrelevant rump in the Dail.
Didn't you admit on another thread that you would spoil your vote?
 

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Didn't you admit on another thread that you would spoil your vote? quote'

Indeed ,I said there is no way I could vote for the same old tired archaic legacy Political Parties, who have had a 100 years of mismanagement of the State.
This has resulted in endemic corruption at all levels of Govt., the Garda, the Justice system and the Civil service.
They have seriously damaged the sovereignty of Ireland and the future of Irelands youth.
The electorate are docile, insouciant and apathetic and have not had a real choice for many years.
Ireland needs a Political Party that puts Ireland and its citizens at the heart of its policies, first and foremost.
 


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