Should we amalgamate our Defence forces to a single force?

Tommythecommy

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Should we amalgamate our Defence forces to a single force?

Surely many savings could be made and it would be simpler to carry out operations and training?

Should such a force also carry out the role of the Coast Guard
 


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Explain what you mean by single force? The 3 arms are already under the command of one department, and one General officer commanding.
The Navy would have trouble getting the ships to the Glen of Imaal.
How do you see the army rescuing people at sea?
 

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Should we amalgamate our Defence forces to a single force?

Surely many savings could be made and it would be simpler to carry out operations and training?

Should such a force also carry out the role of the Coast Guard
We have a single force - it's called the Irish Defence Forces and its constituent parts are the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service.

All three answer to the Chief of Staff, who in turn answers to the Minister for Defence and thus the Government.

The only role the Coast Guard has that should be returned to the DF is Search and Rescue but we're going to be paying €500m over 10 years from 2012 for a Canadian company to do that.
 

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We have a single force - it's called the Irish Defence Forces and its constituent parts are the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service.
Well put, though why the Air Corps felt the need to adopt a Blue Air FORCE type uniform I don't really understand. The clue is in their title, Air CORPS, a part of the Army, not an independent arm in themselves. I'm surprised it was allowed.
 

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Should we amalgamate our Defence forces to a single force?

Surely many savings could be made and it would be simpler to carry out operations and training?

Should such a force also carry out the role of the Coast Guard[/QUOTE

Great idea - where do we start?
 
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Should we amalgamate our Defence forces to a single force?

Surely many savings could be made and it would be simpler to carry out operations and training?

Should such a force also carry out the role of the Coast Guard
Great idea where should we start?
 

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anyone think they could fight off the uk or usa?

if not, what's the point?

about 1,000 men with guns will do -the rest is a waste of our money.
 

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For a moment I thought the thread title read "Should we amalgamate our Defence forces into a single farce?"
 

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anyone think they could fight off the uk or usa?

if not, what's the point?

about 1,000 men with guns will do -the rest is a waste of our money.
Speak for yourself.
 

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A single organisation could better coordinate defence of

A single organisation could better coordinate defence of air, land, and see against what enemy I just dont know.
 

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The ambulance service has been amalgamated with the fire service for yonks now. The guy who arrives in an ambulance is also a fireman and vice versa. I think it's worked very well. We have emergency personnel who are effectively dual qualified.

I think we should do the same with the Defence Forces and the Gardai. I think it would mean we immediately have more Gardai to call on and that all of them are very familiar with weaponry. (I know Gardai get some weapons training but the Defence Forces do get more and are armed more often).
 

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It is time to ask what our defence forces are for?

It is time to ask what our defence forces are for?

It is time to ask ourselves who they might defend us from. ?

Who might attack us?

Who they have the capacity to defend us from?

What nations might we look to for help if we were attacked?

Are we are talking about simply maintaining internal security?

Can we afford to do international peace keeping?

What cuts in Education Health & Welfare should we make to maintain our military spending?
 

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The thread title is misleading guys, we only have one force aas other posters have already stated, the defence forces is a trinity under a single Cheif of Staff.

Other than trimming some of the waste such as the equestrian school, culling some of the layers of officers, and beefing up the Naval Service and Aer Corps with the surplus there is not much amalgamation to be done.

It is time to ask what our defence forces are for?
The Defence Forces fill so many roles for the state, even if you leave out the need to have trained military personnel on stand by for security roles think about the amount of aid to the civil power duties carried out by the DF, cash in transit, cordon and search, aid to flood victims etc.

It is time to ask ourselves who they might defend us from. ?
As long as we dont cod ourselves on this issue, we are not getting invaded by anyone anytime soon, it would take an unbelivable issue for a western power to place troops here uninvited so it will never happen, but the subversive threat, criminal threat is still here and you will need to be able to respond to that with an armed solution.

Who they have the capacity to defend us from?
If the Defence Forces was well equipped with enough anti aircraft missles and anti tank paltforms, they could defend against almost anyone for just long enough to fill enough body bags to make other side negotiate. If you wait here long enough the walts will come streaming out of the woodwork and start going on about fighting small unit actions in the hills, b.s the defence forces are a modern standing army not a paramilitary force.

But THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPENS, SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT WALTERS. (not you tommy)
 

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If you wait here long enough the walts will come streaming out of the woodwork and start going on about fighting small unit actions in the hills, b.s the defence forces are a modern standing army not a paramilitary force.

But THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPENS, SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT WALTERS. (not you tommy)
Sorry, but in the unlikely event of us ever being occupied it's almost certain some kind of partisan force would form up, even on an informal basis. Members of the DF would be the most obvious participants.

That's not waltish (beyond thinking in terms of an eventual invasion), it's just being realistic.
 

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Sorry, but in the unlikely event of us ever being occupied it's almost certain some kind of partisan force would form up, even on an informal basis. Members of the DF would be the most obvious participants.

That's not waltish (beyond thinking in terms of an eventual invasion), it's just being realistic.
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True enough. We would be foolish to stand in a field with all of our soldiers and fight a conventional battle. We do not have the air cover or ordinance to survive beyond sundown. We will revert to our former strategy of asymmetric warfare, an insurgency.
 

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Who knows after 800 years the invaders might even pack up and leave part of our Count

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True enough. We would be foolish to stand in a field with all of our soldiers and fight a conventional battle. We do not have the air cover or ordinance to survive beyond sundown. We will revert to our former strategy of asymmetric warfare, an insurgency.

Who knows after 800 years the invaders might even pack up and leave part of our Country
 

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Who knows after 800 years the invaders might even pack up and leave part of our Country
Not the bit that still has a million of their people living in it.
 

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Who knows after 800 years the invaders might even pack up and leave part of our Country



More likely from our history we will invite them back into the rest of the country as an outsourcing exercise, while we disband our own defence forces to save money!
 

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We have a largely unarmed police force and long may that continue. However the last forty years have shown us that the State did need an army to defend itself from the enemy within.
The Defence Forces provided armed support for unarmed Gardai at checkpoints, searches, bank escorts and also provided bomb disposal services, naval protection and assistance against gun runners etc.

There is always the arguement for rationalisation of the armed forces but there will always be a need for the State to have some form of military service.

It would certainly have been in the capability of the Provisional IRA at some point to stage a coup detat if they thought there would be no military force to resist them.
 


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