Should we drop PR -STV for Presidential Polls?

drjimryan2

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When one considers Brian Lenihan got 44 % of the popular vote and was beaten on transfers by Robinson, would it not be more fair if we had a simple majority vote for the presidency?
 


The_SR

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But 44% is not a simple majority...
 

fergal1790

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Lenihan was dying and should never have been put forward for election! He only got the vote due to sympathy, the overall and most popular winner was Mary Robinson.

Those applying for election to public office should have to undergo a health examination and terminal illness must bar people from being elected to councils as well Being elected as MEPs and to both houses of the Oireachtas and the office of President of Ireland.

Appointees to the seanad and other government positions should also have a full health check. THere are too many people being paid full salaries for being out sick, just look at that Cork MEP Crowley who has never sat in Europe, he got elected and went out sick the very next day! Waaaay-Haaaaaay he's on the pigs back now bhoys!
 

ruserious

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PRSTV ensures the least hated candidate wins. Which isn't a bad thing.
 

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No....

If we did then the most popular party in the country ( say FF when they were at 40%) would have a lock on the Presidency, unless all other parties and individuals rolled in behind an agreed counter candidate.
 

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When one considers Brian Lenihan got 44 % of the popular vote and was beaten on transfers by Robinson, would it not be more fair if we had a simple majority vote for the presidency?
The Charvet Shirts tried to abolish Proportional Representation twice so as to copper fasten their hold on political power.

Brian Lenihan definitely shouldn't have been elected - even FFers thought so. They stayed at home on Election Day. The scandal involving Lenihan The First that emerged during the Irish Presidential campaign blackened his name. Consequently many FFers couldn't bring themselves to vote for him. It was revealed during the campaign that Lenihan had tried to influence the then Uachtaran Paddy Hillary in dissolving the Dail at one point in the tumultuous early 1980s. This was despite Lenihan denying that he did - an audio recording of him admitting so surfaced halfway thru the Pres campaign.

The political Mafia that congregate under the collective name of Fianna Fail has over the last 20 years had any semblance of virtue stripped from them.

It might be hard for anyone under the age of 30 to believe the following but its true: in the early 90s- the time of the Presidential Election in question - the FF party were held up for their supporters as a manifestation of good in this world. A world where Satan is battling God and his angels, a world where the English and the Protestants are constantly sticking it in the Irish (a close runners up to the Jews being God's Chosen People! ). A world of pornography, short skirts, and loud music - and our t-Ard Ri Charlie is going to blaze a bright future for the Gael.

I know from talking to FF supporters at the time that good, virtuous men really struggled with the idea of voting for Lenihan The First after it was revealed that he lied.

So, wrestling with their consciences many FFers just didn't vote that day. Of course it would never enter their heads to vote for another candidate. If they weren't to vote for FF then they wouldn't vote for anyone. To do so is treason! Always Remember - The Party equals The State equals The People.

FF supporters stayed at home, or at least the men did, many FF women voted for Robbo out of the novelty of voting for a woman candidate, not thinking in a million years she was gonna get elected. Lenihan was considered a shoe-in.

And the rest they say is history.
 

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We do NOT use PR-STV for the Presidential election as that is a system intended to return multiple people from the same constituency. That clearly doesn’t occur in a Presidential election!

Rather the system we use is more correctly called Instant Run-Off Voting or Alternative Voting. It is NOT a PR system as there is no proportionality in a result under the system (there being only one person who can be elected) but rather it is a “winner-takes-all” system. Like all such systems, the results exaggerate the support for the larger parties as can be seen by FF having had a near monopoly on the Presidency since it was established.
 

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No.The whole point is that its fairer than first-past-the-post. Why should Linihan have got the job when 51.2% of the electorate preferred Robinson?
 

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We should retain it in the hope that we get a coalition president. The research value for the study of cognitive dissonance would be worth it.
 

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I like the current system except we should also have direct popular vote not the stitch up of 2004.

I intend to vote no in the referendum on extending voting rights to expatriates in presidential elections.
 

blokesbloke

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The voting system is not the issue.

The corrupt state broadcaster is the issue.

It still causes me daily pain that President Gallagher isn't serving Ireland.

And for entirely altruistic reasons too... oh Ireland you would be so much stronger as a country if you'd elected my Seanie!
 

Deadlock

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The voting system is not the issue.

The corrupt state broadcaster is the issue.

It still causes me daily pain that President Gallagher isn't serving Ireland.

And for entirely altruistic reasons too... oh Ireland you would be so much stronger as a country if you'd elected my Seanie!
:p

Maybe you should have a word in Joanie's B ear BB and have her run against Michael D.

Which would assuage your laments more - President Sean or President Joan?
 

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When one considers Brian Lenihan got 44 % of the popular vote and was beaten on transfers by Robinson, would it not be more fair if we had a simple majority vote for the presidency?
No. Next.
 

blokesbloke

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:p

Maybe you should have a word in Joanie's B ear BB and have her run against Michael D.

Which would assuage your laments more - President Sean or President Joan?
Hmmmm... tough choice.

Overall though, given the higher level of security at the Áras than the typical residential home, I do think it's my Joanie's turn.

Oh... imagine it Piesters! Imagine! President Joan Burton! Representing Ireland to the world!

(very poetic language by the way... laments... I can see you have the True Irish Soul)...
 

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Oh! Joanie on a State Visit to the UK!

I would be there, waving an Irish flag with the biggest bunch of flowers Joanie has ever seen!
 

blokesbloke

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I Have Entered A Dreamscape.

President Joan Burton.

The World Is Beautiful Here...
 

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I like the current system except we should also have direct popular vote not the stitch up of 2004.

I intend to vote no in the referendum on extending voting rights to expatriates in presidential elections.
Agree with having a direct vote every Seven years no exceptions - also a system of direct election in case of a resignation or death of a President should be put in place.
 


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