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Silence of the Media: Lambs to Slaughter

Spinelli

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I have noticed in recent days how yet more people have come forward to say they knew about DJ Eamon Cooke, the so-called 'The Cookie Monster'. The list is getting longer and longer to the point that it has almost now become a virtue to have known what this monster was doing. Yet for all these people appear to have known most appear to have done little about it. What reason could their be for inactivity? The media have poured over other cases in other places over many years now. Rightly they have accepted no excuses? But when it comes to themselves where are the reports to police? Where are the investigations into fellow media personalities who were at the centre of these events or even into the media organisations and their management? Where were the voices of discontent or those who paid any price whatsoever for making a stand?

In the UK it is exactly the same. Many knew about Jimmy Saville and his predatory ways. Yet nothing was done. Not one child was spared. There are plenty of stories like this one Jimmy Savile report: The five senior BBC employees who knew about sexual predators but did not act | TV & Radio | News | The Independent Some have dealt with their knowledge a different way, openly admitting, even promoting, that they knew about Saville.

Are we being sold a pup? Do they take us for fools? They themselves have set down the template for acceptable behaviour and the responsibility that rests on individuals. Yet watch now in the days, weeks and months ahead how many more will come forward, look how many already have, to say they knew about Eamon Cooke and how they did nothing.
 


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Very valid comment. Fear? Intimidation? Powerful people using influence to suppress scandal? Protect themselves? The church were powerful here, not so in the UK. Makes you wonder whether we should be looking to investigate the law enforcement sections.
 

Eoin Coir

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Yea, amazing all the folk who come when bubble bursts ,same with Paul Kelly of Console.
 

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I have noticed in recent days how yet more people have come forward to say they knew about DJ Eamon Cooke, the so-called 'The Cookie Monster'. The list is getting longer and longer to the point that it has almost now become a virtue to have known what this monster was doing. Yet for all these people appear to have known most appear to have done little about it. What reason could their be for inactivity? The media have poured over other cases in other places over many years now. Rightly they have accepted no excuses? But when it comes to themselves where are the reports to police? Where are the investigations into fellow media personalities who were at the centre of these events or even into the media organisations and their management? Where were the voices of discontent or those who paid any price whatsoever for making a stand? In the UK it is exactly the same. Many knew about Jimmy Saville and his predatory ways. Yet nothing was done. Not one child was spared. There are plenty of stories like this one Jimmy Savile report: The five senior BBC employees who knew about sexual predators but did not act | TV & Radio | News | The Independent Some have dealt with their knowledge a different way, openly admitting, even promoting, that they knew about Saville. Are we being sold a pup? Do they take us for fools? They themselves have set down the template for acceptable behaviour and the responsibility that rests on individuals. Yet watch now in the days, weeks and months ahead how many more will come forward, look how many already have, to say they knew about Eamon Cooke and how they did nothing.
Who has come forward , and where?
 

Dame_Enda

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The Establishment Irish and British tends to look after its own. Even the PIE was tolerated in the UK Labour party in the 1970s with some surprising supporters who wouldn't be seen with them now.

On the other hand it's harder for the UK Establishment to protect itself these days because of the internet, and because in the UK.control of policing is more decentralised and democratic eg PCC elections.
 
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Started a thread years ago about great and good in Ireland and the way their actions and child abuse has flown under the radar and being covered up.

Some of those names alledged are still alive.
 

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I sometimes get the the feeling that there was something of a guilt complex going on in the UK media and perhaps here too. The enthusiasm with which children's charities are pushed by the media over there suggests that many might be trying to make amends for their inaction over known predators or even dabbling themselves.
 
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I sometimes get the the feeling that there was something of a guilt complex going on in the UK media and perhaps here too. The enthusiasm with which children's charities re pushed by the media over there suggests that many might be trying to make amends for their inaction over known predators or even dabbling themselves.
Set up a child's charity no doubt gets you amazing access as after all "Why wouldn't you support a children's charity"....................
 

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The Establishment Irish and British tends to look after its own. Even the PIE was tolerated in the UK Labour party in the 1970s with some surprising supporters who wouldn't be seen with them now.

On the other hand it's harder for the UK Establishment to protect itself these days because of the internet, and because in the UK.control of policing is more decentralised and democratic eg PCC elections.
There was a time of innocence, of free love and hippy happenings being more mainstream. PIE probably felt that they were simply going with the flow but attitudes have changed a lot since.
 

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You can know someone is a perv/crook/thief/corrupt whatever ... but can you prove it?

That's the test you face in the Goldmines where the 'good name' mullarkey supersedes all other rights, including the right to justice.
 

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Corruption is the new child abuse coverup.

We all know about it. The media pretend it does not exist.
 

midlander12

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There was a time of innocence, of free love and hippy happenings being more mainstream. PIE probably felt that they were simply going with the flow but attitudes have changed a lot since.
Whatever it was, it wasn't innocence. The more I read about the 60's and 70's the more they sound like a 'golden age' of sexual and violent abuse of both women and children (and probably men too, in certain niches). I read some article a while ago about the singer Joan Jett and her experiences as an early 'rock chick'. I almost got physically sick reading it.
 
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I always look at someone's ulterior motives and more than a few occasions my gut reaction suggested I should not offer assistance to some organisation or person.

My view on media is the majority now zilch about truth.
 
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You can know someone is a perv/crook/thief/corrupt whatever ... but can you prove it?
Not always.

But if you felt it was riddled then avoid like the plague.

If it was one individual then ways to move them out or make sure they never left alone with
anybody. Also beware of Jonnynewby who wants to run everything after a week.
 

gerhard dengler

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I have noticed in recent days how yet more people have come forward to say they knew about DJ Eamon Cooke, the so-called 'The Cookie Monster'. The list is getting longer and longer to the point that it has almost now become a virtue to have known what this monster was doing. Yet for all these people appear to have known most appear to have done little about it. What reason could their be for inactivity? The media have poured over other cases in other places over many years now. Rightly they have accepted no excuses? But when it comes to themselves where are the reports to police? Where are the investigations into fellow media personalities who were at the centre of these events or even into the media organisations and their management? Where were the voices of discontent or those who paid any price whatsoever for making a stand?

In the UK it is exactly the same. Many knew about Jimmy Saville and his predatory ways. Yet nothing was done. Not one child was spared. There are plenty of stories like this one Jimmy Savile report: The five senior BBC employees who knew about sexual predators but did not act | TV & Radio | News | The Independent Some have dealt with their knowledge a different way, openly admitting, even promoting, that they knew about Saville.

Are we being sold a pup? Do they take us for fools? They themselves have set down the template for acceptable behaviour and the responsibility that rests on individuals. Yet watch now in the days, weeks and months ahead how many more will come forward, look how many already have, to say they knew about Eamon Cooke and how they did nothing.
Great OP.

You ask probably the most important question.

If all these people knew what they now claim they knew, when did they report their suspicions to the relevant authorities? On what date did they supply their statement to the Gardai? If they didn't approach the Gardai, why so?
 

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Whatever it was, it wasn't innocence. The more I read about the 60's and 70's the more they sound like a 'golden age' of sexual and violent abuse of both women and children (and probably men too, in certain niches). I read some article a while ago about the singer Joan Jett and her experiences as an early 'rock chick'. I almost got physically sick reading it.
Saying it was "a different time" does not in any way excuse it. But it was a totally different time.

The while counterculture and rock scene of the Sixties had a misogynistic streak, as this was the era before feminism..."chicks" etc

As Mick Jagger said, surveying the crowd at his famous Hyde Park concert in 1969 "It's too crowded near the stage.. The chicks will have to go to the back"

The hippy, back-to-nature ideal had that rural reactionary thing where the hippy's "old lady" in her long dress walked barefoot behind her man, and hid out in the kitchen baking hash brownies and macrobiotic stews,....

Before universal further education, girls left school in droves at age 15 and 16 and flooded in to offices, typing pools, factories

There were no internships....no extended childhood like there is now..16 year olds earned an adult wage, moved out of home, migrated to cities, had their own flat, paid all their own bills, got engaged and married in their teens and early twenties

Sexual harassment of these girls by bosses was rife. it was called "making a pass". Girls giggled, fended off the groping, tried to act flattered...The language of feminism, a language of dissent, had not been invented

Groupies at rock concerts could be as young as 14. Roadies checked out the line, choosing the youngest or prettiest, getting them backstage to the star, often in exchange for a small favour for themselves first..
Everyone knew this was going on. It was the same with showbands in so-called innocent rural Ireland. Girls of all ages lined up outside the band's van .

Although the concept of underage sex being illegal absolutely existed, it was not regarded as the enormously shocking unmentionable crime that it is today

There were many taboos back then

Homosexuality was taboo.

Promiscuity was taboo.

Speaking about certain sexual acts was taboo.

But it was an era when sweeping away taboos was regarded as a good thing by progressive and fashionable thinkers.

Some abusers could get a sort of cover from that prevailing wind of change
 

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Whatever it was, it wasn't innocence. The more I read about the 60's and 70's the more they sound like a 'golden age' of sexual and violent abuse of both women and children (and probably men too, in certain niches). I read some article a while ago about the singer Joan Jett and her experiences as an early 'rock chick'. I almost got physically sick reading it.
Not just the 60s and 70s though, we know now there was appalling State-run industrial-scale physical and sexual abuse of tens of thousands of women and children going on decade after decade from the late 20s onwards...and of course prior to that in the old British "workhouses", "orphanages" and "asylums".

Rampant physical and sexual abuse really does seem to have been a common feature of life in most countries for generations now at least, it's just that nobody ever talked about it until fairly recently.
 

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Not just the 60s and 70s though, we know now there was appalling State-run industrial-scale physical and sexual abuse of tens of thousands of women and children going on decade after decade from the late 20s onwards...and of course prior to that in the old British "workhouses", "orphanages" and "asylums".

Rampant physical and sexual abuse really does seem to have been a common feature of life in most countries for generations now at least, it's just that nobody ever talked about it until fairly recently.
That's why on the subject of the catholic church the west brits/unionists get very scared because no one ever pointed out or were too traumatised like andrew49 failed to realise Maynooth simply inherited the british workhouses and converted them into laundries.
 


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