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Simon Harris doubles down on Prohibition

Dame_Enda

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Health Minister Simon Harris appears deaf to the calls for the introduction of the Portuguese model of regulated drug use, despite the huge decline in drug related deaths there.

Sunday Independent said:
New laws to crack down on the possession of synthetic cannabis, prescription pills and new psychoactive substances are on the way.
Is Prohibition or regulation the right answer?

Addiction should be treated as a medical rather than criminal matter. Who will seek drug treatment if they are going to end up with a criminal record?

The govt hasnt even agreed to legalise medical cannabis for sufferers of Parkinsons disease.
 


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It is somewhat of an IQ test how a politician reacts to drugs policy, if they react to drugs as a threat and make policy based on their fear it does not indicate deep thinking.
The war on drugs has failed completely on every front and has made lives for countless millions much, much worse.
It would be disappointing but understandable if an elderly politician "doubled down" on the war on drugs, it is a sad reveal of character when a politician who is till in his twenties and has a reputation (from who knows where) for intelligence goes down that route.
Simon Harris is a sad excuse for a leader, has revealed a terrible lack of vision and he is the future of Fine Gael god help us all.
 

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All the more puzzling given his tender years (29).
 

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All the more puzzling given his tender years (29).
I've met the man. He's as deep as puddle. A back slapping cumman cruiser cast from the same time-honoured Irish mold.
 

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Decriminalisation has one advantage only. It removes the guilt from middle class users who are currently funding gangland.
 

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The goal of all politicians is to get re-elected & there are no voters in drug liberalisation so on fringe politicians with support it. Its irrelevant whether its a good idea or not.
I think there are plenty of young votes in drug liberalisation. Its just even the AAAPBP an SP did not really have a coherent position on it.
 

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Decriminalisation has one advantage only. It removes the guilt from middle class users who are currently funding gangland.
I assume you mean that decriminalisation is pointless compared to straightforward legalisation?
Plenty of advantages to the latter alright:
End the deeply damaging war on drugs and the misery it inflicts on millions worldwide, that is enough right there to say that we should legalise let alone decriminalise.
Clean up the methods people use to take drugs and cut the spread of disease etc.
Standardise the dose and quality of drugs.
Butt out of how people entertain themselves personally, you know, in their personal lives as in private?
Cut down massively on crime like burglary and robbery caused by people desperate to pay off drug debts and get their next fix.
Pull the carpet out from under the utter scum running drugs empires in Ireland.
Tax the drugs and use that tax to fund HSE etc.
Reallocate Gardai resources to fight a winnable fight rather then the whack-a-mole drugs war they are currently engaged in.
Rejig drugs blends to make the easily available ones to be less harmful then he types available right now, less THC more cannabidiol etc
 

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The goal of all politicians is to get re-elected & there are no voters in drug liberalisation so on fringe politicians with support it. Its irrelevant whether its a good idea or not.

Politicians shouldn't be following public opinion if they know it is based on misinformation and often govt sponsored propaganda.
Politicians should be leading and informing the public, they should bring people around to pragmatic policies and pragmatic, generally beneficial policies should be quite easy to sell.
If Harris is going hard against drugs because it is a populist policy with old or ignorant people rather then because he mistakenly thinks it is the right thing to do, then he is an utter disgrace.
 

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It really is concerning when at Ministerial level there is a basic lack of understanding of supply and demand economics.

If Mr Harris is going to do his best to actually prop up the illegal drug trade by maintaining the drug market in Ireland and ensuring it stays in the hands of criminal gangs we really should take that as an insight into his understanding of economics and keep him well away from any economics related portfolio in the future.

There are a mix of styles of politicians who think that if you make an activity twice as illegal it has some kind of effect on behaviours in a society. Some are ignorant, some are worryingly attracted to the idea that if society expresses enough disapproval for an activity it somehow declines by itself and there are others who you have to wonder whether they are in fact protecting a market in which powerful people in the legitimate economy have an interest.

We have now reached a stage in the 'war on drugs' where we have moved past the novel idea of burning untold millions in taxpayer funds for no visible effect (no matter how many drug busts the Gardai manage the street prices don't move and that's a sure sign of ineffectiveness and the size of the market) to the point where politicians who still cling to the sunny upland notion that somehow drugs will all be stopped if you ban them enough are actually contributing directly to drug gangs's income stream.

There is only one way to destroy the drug gangs and that is to destroy their market by legitimising it.

There wasn't much point in running truckloads of booze down from Canada the day after Prohibition was repealed in the states.

All prohibition did was give the mafia a new network and give birth to Al Capone. Prohibition was the best thing that ever happened to the mafia in terms of government making laws in the US.
 

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Decriminalisation has one advantage only. It removes the guilt from middle class users who are currently funding gangland.
You, sir, are a totally and utterly heavily brain damaged fûckwit.
 

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decriminalisation has one advantage only. It removes the guilt from middle class users who are currently funding gangland.
decriminalisation, and regulation squeezes the crims and thugs out of the trade.

I dont believe, sadly , that out country has enough vision for this sort of legislation.

We are a constatnt dissappointment to ourselves.

The sight of little pasty faced irish junkies gouging with their misearble paper cups held out for coins, on the main thoroughfare of the capital of a wealthy country is unspeakably awful.
 

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decriminalisation, and regulation squeezes the crims and thugs out of the trade.

I dont believe, sadly , that out country has enough vision for this sort of legislation.

We are a constatnt dissappointment to ourselves.

The sight of little pasty faced irish junkies gouging with their misearble paper cups held out for coins, on the main thoroughfare of the capital of a wealthy country is unspeakably awful.
Tis indeed, they should be in prison not hanging out at the side of the road expecting the rest of us to fund their habit.
 

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Pull the carpet out from under the utter scum running drugs empires in Ireland.
Well that's a big part of the problem, isn't it? It's been an open secret for decades who the original Mr Big of the heroin epidemic of the late 80s was, but even years after he died it's still covered up by our "betters".

Rotten little country.
 

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Well that's a big part of the problem, isn't it? It's been an open secret for decades who the original Mr Big of the heroin epidemic of the late 80s was, but even years after he died it's still covered up by our "betters".

Rotten little country.
It was claimed in the Sindo that Jim Mansfield was paying protection money on a weekly basis to Joe Cahill personally. That Joe Cahill, a founder member of the PIRA and at the very least "known to Gardai" was travelling to City west every month to collect a briefcase of cash from Mansfield and Garda knew about this and did nothing.

You've guessed it: Jim "AK 46" Cusack and those utterly reliable "Garda Sources" strike again.

Warning - it is an Independent News and Media link.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwie7-SalsbOAhWCIsAKHe4DAb0QFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fcrime%2Flatest-feud-victim-was-longtime-member-of-provisional-ira-34852194.html&usg=AFQjCNHfYXx9e0eQO9FETJCg8D2WRpJ7sA&sig2=njzfMeZXCD_7p9-yqKCGAw&bvm=bv.129759880,d.d24

The one positive to take is that at least on National "newspaper" finally admitted what everyone has known for years, that the late Jim Mansfield was the most significant importer of hard drugs into Ireland over decades.
 

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It was claimed in the Sindo that Jim Mansfield was paying protection money on a weekly basis to Joe Cahill personally. That Joe Cahill, a founder member of the PIRA and at the very least "known to Gardai" was travelling to City west every month to collect a briefcase of cash from Mansfield and Garda knew about this and did nothing.

You've guessed it: Jim "AK 46" Cusack and those utterly reliable "Garda Sources" strike again.

Warning - it is an Independent News and Media link.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwie7-SalsbOAhWCIsAKHe4DAb0QFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fcrime%2Flatest-feud-victim-was-longtime-member-of-provisional-ira-34852194.html&usg=AFQjCNHfYXx9e0eQO9FETJCg8D2WRpJ7sA&sig2=njzfMeZXCD_7p9-yqKCGAw&bvm=bv.129759880,d.d24

The one positive to take is that at least on National "newspaper" finally admitted what everyone has known for years, that the late Jim Mansfield was the most significant importer of hard drugs into Ireland over decades with political and AGS cover.
Thought that edit necessary.
 

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