- Jun 2, 2007
Hi Soubresauts,Some people really need to stop and think.
The link I gave cited official government statistics (the sort you profess to believe but would prefer to forget).
Yes, all vaccines.Hi Soubresauts,
I asked a while back but I don't think you replied: when you said that "nobody needs vaccines" do you include vaccines for smallpox, polio, rabies etc in that?
Wow. So if you or one of you children gets bitten by a dog you won't bother with a tetanus injection then? You realise there are deaths every year from tetanus, mainly of older people who haven't had a booster shot in years?Yes, all vaccines.
And some people died of those illnesses. Are you sure the damage done by the vaccines is greater than that done by the illnesss?Maybe I'm odd, but I instinctively favour (unlike Harris & Varadkar) a government that leaves people alone and doesn't dupe them.
I also instinctively know (and most doctors will reluctantly agree with me here) that measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and pertussis will not be eradicated with vaccines. I know very well (and most doctors will reluctantly agree with me here) that gaining lifelong immunity from measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and pertussis, by contracting them in childhood as we all used to do until the 1980s, is a good thing.
Well, no. Polio is ancient, with depictions of survivors found in Egyptian paintings and sculptures, and the Emperor Claudius' lameness is thought to be the result of childhood polio.Some diseases such as polio are the result of crazy "modern" practices, such as sewage dispersal in open water and agrichemical use, and they disappear as we wise up.
Maybe it was going to die out, or maybe not. These illnesses tend to be cyclical anyway - but as I said above, that's inevitable with changing society and increased knowledge and the development of "arms" against these illnesses - we adapt to illnesses in all sorts of ways so they end up by no longer being as dangerous as they once were. But there will always be a new one coming along soon, and I don't se why you seem to think that voluntarily depriving ourselves of any one of the weapons in that struggle is a good idea.Smallpox is a very different case, and maybe it was going to die out anyway. The idea that vaccination did the job does not square with the hidden history of smallpox. For example, Alfred Russel Wallace was no idiot and felt that he had proved that smallpox vaccination was "useless and dangerous".
There's a reasonable medical establishment article about him here.
Don't know what you are asking here. A rabies vaccine exists, but because rabies is now so rare in Europe, it isn't needed and therefore isn't given except if you are travelling to somewhere where rabies is endemic. I've been vaccinated against it because I was going to Asia. I didn't have to, but I wouldn't have dreamt of not having it.As for rabies, what happened?
"Both the unidentified victims were in categories of people who shouldn't always be given the vaccine – one was aged over 60 and the other had had their thymus gland removed."The UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said two people died of viscerotropic disease after having the vaccine to protect against mosquito-borne yellow fever.www.dailymail.co.uk
Two people? Sad but medicine is always about risk vs benefit. I wonder how many got the vaccine with no ill effects. The 5% mortality rate for the illness itself (45 000 in 2013) means I'd still prefer to take my chances on having the vaccine before travelling to a country where it is endemic.The UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency said two people died of viscerotropic disease after having the vaccine to protect against mosquito-borne yellow fever.www.dailymail.co.uk
I'm not entirely sure that yellow fever is a big problem in Irish schools, so you probably won't have to get a yellow fever vaccination should this policy ever be enacted. It's more for the highly contagious measles virus.You won’t be allowed to prefer anything if one choice is made compulsory for everyone (which includes you and your children) regardless of your travel plans.
I don’t think anyone is looking for predictions.I'm not entirely sure that yellow fever is a big problem in Irish schools, so you probably won't have to get a yellow fever vaccination should this policy ever be enacted. It's more for the highly contagious measles virus.
as regards to these two unfortunate patients, but this highlights the difference between medical risk and medical uncertainty.
Medical risk is something that can be defined on a population basis, like we know that one in 10000 patients get a certain adverse effect if they take medicine. The uncertainty is that for any given individual neither will or will not have that particular adverse event. We just can't predict if you will be that one in 10000.
If you'd actually read it, you'd have worked out that one of them was a medical professor at the Royal Marsden, so I think we can assume he knew about the risks of vaccination.I don’t think anyone is looking for predictions.
They are just looking for accurate information so that they can make an informed choice about their own health.
Were the people who died after vaccination for yellow fever informed of the risks given their own health backgrounds?
The article doesn’t say.
I don’t have a lot of time for what you think.If you'd actually read it, you'd have worked out that one of them was a medical professor at the Royal Marsden, so I think we can assume he knew about the risks of vaccination.
In 2016 – with a vaccination rate of 31% – there were only 90 ‘confirmed cases’, i.e. 90 cases of measles confirmed by a laboratory. There was a low vaccination rate but there was no epidemic either. And this also applied to the three years before 2016. From 2013 to 2016, there were on average only 50 cases per year.
Since July 2017, a national Measles Task Force, including the Ministry of Health, key stakeholders and partners such as WHO and the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), has been working to vaccinate every eligible child as they reach the appropriate age for MMR vaccination according to the national routine immunization schedule.
By the end of 2017, routine vaccination coverage had drastically improved compared to previous years: 93% of 1-year-olds received the first dose of MMR on time in 2017 and 91% of 6-year-olds received their second dose as recommended. Figures for January and February 2018 indicate that the country is on track to reach at least 95% routine coverage with both doses of MMR vaccine by the end of the year.’