Simon Harris - the greatest comeback since Lazarus

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Until very recently Simon Harris was largely derided as being the worst health minister in the history of the State, no confidence motions, a complete and abject failure etc.

Roll forward a couple of weeks and simply by following measures introduced in other countries to fight the coronavirus he is suddenly being hailed from all quarters as some kind of genius. :sneaky:
 


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Until very recently Simon Harris was largely derided as being the worst health minister in the history of the State, no confidence motions, a complete and abject failure etc.

Roll forward a couple of weeks and simply by following measures introduced in other countries to fight the coronavirus he is suddenly being hailed from all quarters as some kind of genius. :sneaky:

He has done nothing that your average 12 year old couldn't do. The one thing that appears to be infected and effected by the virus is perspective. He is doing an average job and being very well paid for it.
 

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Zoo.
 

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He will be remembered for letting the virus into the country. Action was needed in late February to stop it getting into the country and him and his colleagues took the view of let it in and we will track it down afterwards. Now look at where we are. Him, the CMO, and LV should all be sacked.
 

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I think he learned a lesson from not following medical advice on cervical check.
 

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I think he learned a lesson from not following medical advice on cervical check.
Jeez.....It's impossible to underestimate you....the worst minister for health learned nothing about that.
He ignored the many warnings....and then poured petrol on the flames by putting EU freedom of movement ahead of public health.....which will result in many deaths.
 

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Until very recently Simon Harris was largely derided as being the worst health minister in the history of the State, no confidence motions, a complete and abject failure etc.

Roll forward a couple of weeks and simply by following measures introduced in other countries to fight the coronavirus he is suddenly being hailed from all quarters as some kind of genius. :sneaky:
He is an empty suit just like Leo and Simon. It was clear a very long time ago that what was needed was severe travel restrictions from certain areas and quarantine measures. Their indecision and delay will cost lives and they should be investigated when this is over.
 

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Jeez.....It's impossible to underestimate you....the worst minister for health learned nothing about that.
He ignored the many warnings....and then poured petrol on the flames by putting EU freedom of movement ahead of public health.....which will result in many deaths.
A lack of consensus with the main European heavyweights - France and Germany - would've been irresponsible and downright insolent on his part. The unilateral decision to close airports from one country wouldn't have necessarily prevented sick individuals from merely finding another route in. They reckon this is one reason why the virus spread so violently in Italy as the partial shutdown of transport routes from one area just encouraged people to seek them out elsewhere, even across international borders.

People spread viruses, not lousy health ministers who never had much autonomy in any case. Leo had the final buck on that one. Those people who jaunted off to Cheltenham with full knowledge that viruses propagate like wildfire in such environments, people who insisted on going on holidays to countries already creaking under the strain of native cases, people going in for piss-ups in Temple Bar the night and people sending their children to school after their ski trip to hotspots in Northern Italy.

All of that is reprehensible, criminally incompetent and a complete abject refusal of individual responsibility on the part of the citizen. Harris has been, was and is a clown but he is only capable of so much.

Nations are made up of individuals and individuals need to cop on. It's too easy to shift all the blame onto inept government officials but those inept officials were elected by somebody. The joys of democracy.
 

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He and the government have been excellent since Thursday last week. Before that they were appalling. They are well ahead of the headbangers in the U.K. so at least there’s that.
 

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As he said himself to the creeps out drinking in Temple Bar maybe has finally fund some cop on about what is actually happening here.

It wasn't made clear enough to people how dangerous the situation was in time. There are still many people clearly not getting it and behaving recklessly. The only thing that works in these situations is managed fear.
 

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Two words: Matt Hancock.

See, it is possible to fnck up. Don't take competence for granted.

Also, a politician has no power to ban people from the country or to ban travel. The Dail has those powers and the Dail was not sitting for most (any?) of February.
 

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What the difference, a month to 6 weeks ago their over 500 people on hospitel trolleys, how many was on trolleys last night, i think the last count was 35. Since the corona virus, it's not because all of suden their is 400 bedss that was not there before. Is it now people are not getting sick anymore or it it instead of doctors and out of doctors services are treating the people instead of ringing a ambulance
 

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A lack of consensus with the main European heavyweights - France and Germany - would've been irresponsible and downright insolent on his part. The unilateral decision to close airports from one country wouldn't have necessarily prevented sick individuals from merely finding another route in. They reckon this is one reason why the virus spread so violently in Italy as the partial shutdown of transport routes from one area just encouraged people to seek them out elsewhere, even across international borders.

People spread viruses, not lousy health ministers who never had much autonomy in any case. Leo had the final buck on that one. Those people who jaunted off to Cheltenham with full knowledge that viruses propagate like wildfire in such environments, people who insisted on going on holidays to countries already creaking under the strain of native cases, people going in for piss-ups in Temple Bar the night and people sending their children to school after their ski trip to hotspots in Northern Italy.

All of that is reprehensible, criminally incompetent and a complete abject refusal of individual responsibility on the part of the citizen. Harris has been, was and is a clown but he is only capable of so much.

Nations are made up of individuals and individuals need to cop on. It's too easy to shift all the blame onto inept government officials but those inept officials were elected by somebody. The joys of democracy.
The reality is that somewhere down the line it is very possible that we could go into total lock-down and it should have happened a LOT earlier, we are an Island and we SHOULD be in the perfect position to restrict, reduce and eliminate the spread of the virus. At the point where the kids were returning from Italy and the arrival of the Italian Rugby fans was where we could have sent out a message and laid down the law and given an indication of how strict we were going to be, and that would have been a marker for the clowns who went to Cheltenham.

Leo is now telling people that if they leave the Island they may not get back yet we had around a dozen flights into Dublin Airport only last Friday. To be honest I didn't and don't expect any swift reaction on ANY issue from Fine Gael considering their record on Housing, Health etc etc etc
 

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He will be remembered for letting the virus into the country. Action was needed in late February to stop it getting into the country and him and his colleagues took the view of let it in and we will track it down afterwards. Now look at where we are. Him, the CMO, and LV should all be sacked.
And it ain't over yet. Only started.
 

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Until very recently Simon Harris was largely derided as being the worst health minister in the history of the State, no confidence motions, a complete and abject failure etc.

Roll forward a couple of weeks and simply by following measures introduced in other countries to fight the coronavirus he is suddenly being hailed from all quarters as some kind of genius. :sneaky:
Come it the hour, come it the man.
 

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The reality is that somewhere down the line it is very possible that we could go into total lock-down and it should have happened a LOT earlier, we are an Island and we SHOULD be in the perfect position to restrict, reduce and eliminate the spread of the virus. At the point where the kids were returning from Italy and the arrival of the Italian Rugby fans was where we could have sent out a message and laid down the law and given an indication of how strict we were going to be, and that would have been a marker for the clowns who went to Cheltenham.

Leo is now telling people that if they leave the Island they may not get back yet we had around a dozen flights into Dublin Airport only last Friday. To be honest I didn't and don't expect any swift reaction on ANY issue from Fine Gael considering their record on Housing, Health etc etc etc
You can block every for-in-er with the virus you like getting in to the country. But all it may have taken was ONE paddy strolling back from his Christmas break in the Canaries in January to get the ball rolling. All we can do is slow down the rate of infection (flatting the curve) so everyone will not turn up at the hospital at the same time which would overwhelm the health service. We are planning it so there is a steady flow into hospitals over a very long period.
 

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He will be remembered for letting the virus into the country. Action was needed in late February to stop it getting into the country and him and his colleagues took the view of let it in and we will track it down afterwards. Now look at where we are. Him, the CMO, and LV should all be sacked.
Hopefully you were not being serious with that post. Those who brought it with them into Ireland were those who could afford to go on their hols during mid term, skiing trips, cruises and the like.
 

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He is an empty suit just like Leo and Simon. It was clear a very long time ago that what was needed was severe travel restrictions from certain areas and quarantine measures. Their indecision and delay will cost lives and they should be investigated when this is over.
sure all they have to do is say sure the provos killed thousands and that should deflect the irish peoples attention away from it with the help of the media.
 

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The reality is that somewhere down the line it is very possible that we could go into total lock-down and it should have happened a LOT earlier, we are an Island and we SHOULD be in the perfect position to restrict, reduce and eliminate the spread of the virus. At the point where the kids were returning from Italy and the arrival of the Italian Rugby fans was where we could have sent out a message and laid down the law and given an indication of how strict we were going to be, and that would have been a marker for the clowns who went to Cheltenham.

Leo is now telling people that if they leave the Island they may not get back yet we had around a dozen flights into Dublin Airport only last Friday. To be honest I didn't and don't expect any swift reaction on ANY issue from Fine Gael considering their record on Housing, Health etc etc etc
fianna fail and fianna gael are the most dangerous virus ireland has ever witnessed and looks like doubling up.
 

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I remain a sceptic. I suppose he deserves for credit for eventually doing the right thing when it comes to the emergency measures like closing public houses etc. However I remain strongly opposed to the lack of action on closing the flights from high risk countries.

He has improved somewhat in my estimation though. I'm particularly happy that the trolly crisis has suddenly disappeared, with just 21 on trollies today. This is probably due to cancellation of elective procedures, or a tougher attitude to frivolous admissions at A+E. However when this crisis ends, I would like the govt to consider continuing some of those measures to solve the trolley crisis for good.
 


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