Sinn Fein and the ANC.

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My sister supports the Traditional Unionist Voice, which opposes the Good Friday Agreement and claim's William Frazer's "Pastor" as a member, mainly in fairness because her boy friend is also a member of them, and sometimes we argue about politics; anyway her strongest argument and it has massive strength is the fact that the Shinners are still pals with the murdering rapist filth of the ANC after they have illustrated extremely clearly for anyone with eyes to see what twisted animals they are. This she says points to how the PUL community would be treated by the Shinners in a united Ireland- that those remaining would end up on genocide watch. A massive thing that would do so much to build up trust in Northern Ireland is for Gerry or Martin to come out and say clearly that they were wrong to aid the ANC and its no warning bombs and "necklaces".

[video=youtube;Yvv7sNPx5Ts]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvv7sNPx5Ts[/video]
 


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ANC is a political party. They planted no bombs.

Umkhonto we Sizwe is the military resistance to the apartheid regime.
 

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Sinn Féin wouldn't get away with treating the PUL community like that in a united Ireland, even if they wanted to.
 

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Just consider the great job the ANC have done on the South African economy (straight out of the Mugabe school of economics) and you will see where SF policies would bring us
 

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Just consider the great job the ANC have done on the South African economy (straight out of the Mugabe school of economics) and you will see where SF policies would bring us


That's a bit of a stretch my streaking friend.
 

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Sinn Féin wouldn't get away with treating the PUL community like that in a united Ireland, even if they wanted to.

Oh I agree, but its all about perception but than there is the fact of the Shinners' apparent support for Boer genocide is downright disturbing in and of itself.
 

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My sister supports the Traditional Unionist Voice, which opposes the Good Friday Agreement and claim's William Frazer's "Pastor" as a member, mainly in fairness because her boy friend is also a member of them, and sometimes we argue about politics; anyway her strongest argument and it has massive strength is the fact that the Shinners are still pals with the murdering rapist filth of the ANC after they have illustrated extremely clearly for anyone with eyes to see what twisted animals they are. .
 

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ANC is a political party. They planted no bombs.

Umkhonto we Sizwe is the military resistance to the apartheid regime.
That is wrong.

The ANC was founded by the vile murderer Nelson Mandela and his MK torture camps.


The TRC found that the use of torture by MK was "routine", as were executions "without due process" at ANC detention camps. This was particularly true in the period of 1979–1989, .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Torture_and_executions
 

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The plight and poverty of working class Afrikaners pre-dates 1994 - even apartheid-era governments didn't care much for them.

No doubt they face added pressure now with positive discrimination in employment. But IMHO black economic empowerment was and is absolutely essential to South African society to address the chasm in opportunity and standards of living between black and white. And the focus of BBBEE is black ownership and leadership, not low-wage jobs which are unfortunately increasingly scarce for both blacks and whites.

I visit frequently and see the benefits - local procurement from black-owned companies bolstering communities; young black professionals developing the skills to merit leadership positions; mixed crowds in the restaurants and bars of posh end Jo'burg.

So on that basis Loyalists have plenty to look forward to when SF govern the whole island, if you really rate the ANC link that highly petunia
 

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yawn, Bill the Boer telling jackanorys about his imaginary family...
 

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That is wrong.

The ANC was founded by the vile murderer Nelson Mandela and his MK torture camps.
The ANC was founded in 1923 when Mandela was 5 years old. Another testament to his astounding leadership achievements or to your consistent inaccuracy?
 

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White South Africans are real refugees.
In danger and oppressed in their own country. Unable to go to neighbouring countries as they are in danger there also. Refused asylum in Europe.
Why is Ireland choc a bloc with Nigerians and yet South Africans are not given asylum status.?
They would be a much better asset to the country and quite a lot have Irish ancestry aslo.

And yes, Irish parties cosying up to the racist ANC is despicable.
 

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What support for Boer genocide?
Being part of the Guard of Honour at that murdering scumbag Mandela's funeral and their continuing fraternal relationship with the ANC is showing support de facto support for Boer genocide.
 

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Being part of the Guard of Honour at that murdering scumbag Mandela's funeral and their continuing fraternal relationship with the ANC is showing support de facto support for Boer genocide.
Now you're just being ridiculous. Might as well accuse the Queen of supporting Boer genocide, she had no problem welcoming Mandela into Buck House as an honoured guest.
 

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White South Africans are real refugees.
In danger and oppressed in their own country. Unable to go to neighbouring countries as they are in danger there also. Refused asylum in Europe.
Why is Ireland choc a bloc with Nigerians and yet South Africans are not given asylum status.?
They would be a much better asset to the country and quite a lot have Irish ancestry aslo.

And yes, Irish parties cosying up to the racist ANC is despicable.
For the record I consider the TUV absolutely nuts and think also that they should be probably declared illegal; however she does I think have a strong point here. Why cant the Shinners just admit that they were wrong?
 

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The ANC was founded in 1923 when Mandela was 5 years old. Another testament to his astounding leadership achievements or to your consistent inaccuracy?
Thank you for that correction.

The vile murderer Nelson Mandela who was a prominent member of the ANC did of course found uMkhonto we Sizwe (abbreviated as MK, Zulu for "Spear of the Nation").

That organization executed and tortured people under the orders of the gruesome Mandela.

The TRC found that the use of torture by MK was "routine", as were executions "without due process" at ANC detention camps. This was particularly true in the period of 1979–1989, .


These scum were supported by the PIRA


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Torture_and_executions
 

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Now you're just being ridiculous. Might as well accuse the Queen of supporting Boer genocide, she had no problem welcoming Mandela into Buck House as an honoured guest.
A lot of deceived people, including many Irish who should have known better, welcomed scumbag murderer Nelson Mandela to their countries.

The evil Mandela lived out his life in the lap of extreme luxury and comfort whilst many of the native people he defrauded and whose relatives he tortured and killed continue to live in dire squalor.
 

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This is a load of daft hyperbole, but the point is valid. The time is well overdue for SF to distance themselves from the ANC and that's nothing to do with the maligned Nelson Mandela either but rather his inadequate successors. As usual a liberation movement has turned into a kleptocracy. I can't imagine Martin or Gerry would feel comfortable in the company of Jacob Zuma, a man whose corruption and greed would put a combined Bertie/Lowry/Lawlor into the ha'penny place, who seems to have little trouble with the gunning down of scores of miners (and if they are, they should be ashamed of themselves).
 
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