Sinn Fein Ard Fheis 2017 a turning point?

Disillusioned democrat

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The 2017 SF Ard Fheis could be a bit of a game changer.

Two things on the old Clar that make for interesting reading (between the lines, that is).

Gerry Adams to deliver a bombshell address - too big to release speech to the press in advance as would be the normal practice...so speculation rife that it's his departure timeline and

Vote to change rules on entering coalition only as dominant partner.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2017/SF_Ard_Fheis_Clar_2017_email1.pdf

This may well change the landscape for the next GE big-time.
 


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Djarryango to retire by 3016...
 

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Vote to change rules on entering coalition only as dominant partner.
Sensible in several ways

1) avoids humiliation of being rebuffed
2) avoids involvement in government - didn't work out well for them in NI, it is much easier to sit outside government and criticise than to have to make difficult decisions and then stand over them

And of course the "Conscience" vs Party Whip issue will be interesting
 

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I hope the OP is right. Such changes would give Sinn Féin back its relevance for left-wing voters.
 

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The 2017 SF Ard Fheis could be a bit of a game changer.

Two things on the old Clar that make for interesting reading (between the lines, that is).

Gerry Adams to deliver a bombshell address - too big to release speech to the press in advance as would be the normal practice...so speculation rife that it's his departure timeline and

Vote to change rules on entering coalition only as dominant partner.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2017/SF_Ard_Fheis_Clar_2017_email1.pdf

This may well change the landscape for the next GE big-time.
Who'd coalesce with them that would be in any position to form a Govt?

It's probably just accepting the fact that nobody will so why bother continuing with the pretence that they'll only participate if they're the dominant 'partner'.
 

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Djarryango to retire by 3016...
But his very expensive enamel and titanium false teeth have an expected life of 2,000 years. It's hard to imagine him stepping aside before his teeth have reached their sell-by date.
 

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The 2017 SF Ard Fheis could be a bit of a game changer.

Two things on the old Clar that make for interesting reading (between the lines, that is).

Gerry Adams to deliver a bombshell address - too big to release speech to the press in advance as would be the normal practice...so speculation rife that it's his departure timeline and

Vote to change rules on entering coalition only as dominant partner.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2017/SF_Ard_Fheis_Clar_2017_email1.pdf

This may well change the landscape for the next GE big-time.
Interesting post - pity it degenerated into the usual, and unfunny, ad hominem drivel. (I'm only surprised that Cruimh missed the open goal of Adams 'delivering a bombshell'.) I'm not sure that secrecy surrounding the speech is necessarily an indication that Adams will reveal the time of his departure; a party as micro-managed and choreographed as SF might want to manage such an announcement more carefully than that.
 

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Sensible in several ways

1) avoids humiliation of being rebuffed
2) avoids involvement in government - didn't work out well for them in NI, it is much easier to sit outside government and criticise than to have to make difficult decisions and then stand over them

And of course the "Conscience" vs Party Whip issue will be interesting
What many people seem to have forgotten about the UK is the €1bn bribe the DUP got.

As I can figure it out as long as SF aren't part of the NI government "Ash for cash" Arlene can't spend the £1bn bung she got from May to prop up a weak Tory government. The £1bn would buy a lot of votes for the DUP, so SF needing to sail close to the rocks on this.
 

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I hope the OP is right. Such changes would give Sinn Féin back its relevance for left-wing voters.
The Clar is available for all to see, but the radio this morning was abuzz with speculation over the fact that Gerry Adams' speech won't be available in advance for reporters because of its "epic" impact.

The discussion on coalition is defined on the Clar.
 

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Who'd coalesce with them that would be in any position to form a Govt?

It's probably just accepting the fact that nobody will so why bother continuing with the pretence that they'll only participate if they're the dominant 'partner'.
Realistically a FF without Micheal Martin at the helm or a resurgent Labour getting back to basics and winning 50% of its lost seats back.

The country cannot afford TINA any more because the 90 year old game of pass the parcel is driving us further and further into dystopia.
 

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Confirmed unofficial sources have denied that Djarryango is to challenge Sir saint Geldof to a celebrity death match...
 

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What many people seem to have forgotten about the UK is the €1bn bribe the DUP got.

As I can figure it out as long as SF aren't part of the NI government "Ash for cash" Arlene can't spend the £1bn bung she got from May to prop up a weak Tory government. The £1bn would buy a lot of votes for the DUP, so SF needing to sail close to the rocks on this.
It amuses me that so many on P.ie wanted us in the UK to be cross about the DUP extracting an extra billion for NI as the price for propping up Theresa May, but still think that the EU Brexit demands are reasonable.

Why would we worry about an extra billion for one of the constituent countries of the UK when the EU is trying to extract many, many times that figure from us?

Frankly it's the least of most British peoples worries.
 

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It amuses me that so many on P.ie wanted us in the UK to be cross about the DUP extracting an extra billion for NI as the price for propping up Theresa May, but still think that the EU Brexit demands are reasonable.

Why would we worry about an extra billion for one of the constituent countries of the UK when the EU is trying to extract many, many times that figure from us?

Frankly it's the least of most British peoples worries.
But if you're SF in NI the last thing you want is the DUP flashing the cash in a way to dwarf the "cash for ash" controversy.

Odd too that Foster's cosying up up to May has made the whole "ash to cash" "problem" disappear.
 

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It amuses me that so many on P.ie wanted us in the UK to be cross about the DUP extracting an extra billion for NI as the price for propping up Theresa May, but still think that the EU Brexit demands are reasonable.

Why would we worry about an extra billion for one of the constituent countries of the UK when the EU is trying to extract many, many times that figure from us?

Frankly it's the least of most British peoples worries.
And of course it is implied that the billion went into DUP bank account .....

Of course a billion on social services and teaching etc is an insult to the nationalist community on both sides of the border .....
 

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But if you're SF in NI the last thing you want is the DUP flashing the cash in a way to dwarf the "cash for ash" controversy.

Odd too that Foster's cosying up up to May has made the whole "ash to cash" "problem" disappear.
Going back to what I said earlier:
2) avoids involvement in government - didn't work out well for them in NI, it is much easier to sit outside government and criticise than to have to make difficult decisions and then stand over them
Cash for Ash was after all administered by a Sinn Féin minister ......
 

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Sensible in several ways

1) avoids humiliation of being rebuffed
2) avoids involvement in government - didn't work out well for them in NI, it is much easier to sit outside government and criticise than to have to make difficult decisions and then stand over them

And of course the "Conscience" vs Party Whip issue will be interesting
I think you may have misread that, Cruimh :)
 

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SF sitting on their hands on Brexit and messing up with regards the NI executive is evidence of the shambles that is SF.
 

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And of course it is implied that the billion went into DUP bank account .....

Of course a billion on social services and teaching etc is an insult to the nationalist community on both sides of the border .....

Sinn Féin's concern is probably that some of that extra funding might be wasted on pointless, tokenist sh1te like creating non-jobs for Irish language fanatics.
 

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SF sitting on their hands on Brexit and messing up with regards the NI executive is evidence of the shambles that is SF.
Can't fault them for that.

The Irish government and the NI administration are just laughed at by the EU. They would have no influence on a Brexit deal.

They are better doing nothing and blaming Dublin+London.
 


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