Sinn Féin bite the bullet and tell their supporters to vote for Pro-Westminster candidates

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To be an Irish Republican you have to a Nationalist 1st

- this is in the realm of the bleeding obvious BTW.
Not true in the context of Irish Republicanism.
Where or when have you ever heard Sinn Fein describe themselves as Nationalists?
On the contrary they always go out of their way to use the phrase "Republicans AND Nationalists". Although since their killing machine , PIRA, has eased off on their favourite past time they have hinted at acceptance of the Nationalist tag.
 


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Jeez......so over 92% of the people in Ireland are "beyond the Pale" - according to you.

For what it's worth, those 92% "beyond the Pale" - according to you - will not under any circumstances allow Ireland to voluntarily become a UK whore-house again by leaving the EU at this moment in history.

The EU may not last forever - but right now it does and 92% of the Irish Nation in Ireland sees it as by far the best show in town for Ireland.

"Irish Republicanism is incompatible with membership of the EU"
- Antóin Mac Comháin

Those in Britain advocating that Ireland leave the EU are backed by "Policy Exchange" - the largest and also the most influential think tank on the British right, the Right wing of the British Tory party, UKIP and the Brexit party in Britain.

Moreover, these are Groups that are bitterly opposed to the GFA - just like the DUP/UDA - and who have nothing but the utmost contempt for the Irish Nation.

Interesting fellow-travellers you have.
What I actually said:

The moment EU MEP's started talking up an EU Army on Irish borders, was the moment anyone with a functioning brain-cell, could see that it was time for Ireland to exit stage left. Irish Republicanism is incompatible with membership of the EU in its current guise.
Well, it's not that long since SF were telling people the Lisbon Treaty would dis-empower the Irish people:

"Lisbon equals less power: Article 6 changes the way in which key decisions at the Council of Ministers are taken. The changes would see Irelands voting strength reduced to 0.8% while German’s would increase to 17% and Britain’s would increase to 12%. The Council is where states are meant to meet as equals. The Lisbon Treaty significantly reduces Ireland’s strength on this important body." - Lisbon Treaty = A Bad Deal: McDonald | Sinn Féin

Can you point out exactly when and where there was an increase in Irish voting strength on the Council of Minsters between now and then?
'If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...' - Dublin MEP

Sinn Féin is opposed Ireland’s involvement in Pesco and Lynn Boylan MEP said that it was not “alarmist” to voice concerns about an EU army.

“The issue here is they can say we’re being alarmist but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck it then it is a duck. We know both ALDE and the EPP support an EU army, that’s the facts, it’s in their manifesto,” she said.

“It’s not in their manifesto,” Durkan interjected.

“It’s not in their manifesto because Neale Richmond went out and asked them to take it out of the manifesto,” Boylan responded.

She added: The issue is here if we return MEPs to those two political groups, that is the agenda of those two political groups, so it absolutely imperative to those who oppose a European army do not send MEPs to back that.

I thought I might have learned something from you but alas, abuse is all I got. I did learn however that you are like a lot of posters who are high on verbiage, they can waffle forever when speaking in the abstract but have nothing to contribute when addressing the particular.
Basically, you are articulating the point that he has exposed himself to be the BS-artist that he very clearly is.
Alternatively, you're misrepresenting what I said and don't understand the policies of the party you are defending, but I'll give you one example of why it is a waste of my time trying to explain the 'isms' of Republicanism on a site like this, anti-racism being a key tenet of Irish Republicanism:

The objective of the founders of EU is to obliterate all the nations of Europe so they can lord it over a continent of half-breeds.
So I'll leave you and your fellow-travelers to get on with it.
 

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I never heard of these"Nationalism is one of the six key tenets of Irish Republicanism,". What are they?
Today's principles are trade unionism: SF encourages trade unionists to attend Irish Unity event https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/55328

I thought I might have learned something from you but alas, abuse is all I got. I did learn however that you are like a lot of posters who are high on verbiage, they can waffle forever when speaking in the abstract but have nothing to contribute when addressing the particular.
I went to my first protest when I was about 4 or 5 which was an Irish Language Rights protest. I progressed to Free the Prisoners when I was 6 or 7, and when I was about 11 or 12, the first split happened, when I attempted to organize my first political group. My mother was a shop-steward in the first factory I worked in, when I was 16, but I found Trade Unionism to be a bit of a toothless tiger, insofar as Phoenix Co-Operatives are concerned, and I personally found Community Councils were a better way of organizing people in their absence, but everyone is different. It depends what you mean by the particular, but as I've said to the previous poster..

I'll give you one example of why it is a waste of my time trying to explain the 'isms' of Republicanism on a site like this, anti-racism being a key tenet of Irish Republicanism..
The objective of the founders of EU is to obliterate all the nations of Europe so they can lord it over a continent of half-breeds.
So I'll leave ye to it..
 

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Today's principles are trade unionism: SF encourages trade unionists to attend Irish Unity event https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/55328



I went to my first protest when I was about 4 or 5 which was an Irish Language Rights protest. I progressed to Free the Prisoners when I was 6 or 7, and when I was about 11 or 12, the first split happened, when I attempted to organize my first political group. My mother was a shop-steward in the first factory I worked in, when I was 16, but I found Trade Unionism to be a bit of a toothless tiger, insofar as Phoenix Co-Operatives are concerned, and I personally found Community Councils were a better way of organizing people in their absence, but everyone is different. It depends what you mean by the particular, but as I've said to the previous poster..





So I'll leave ye to it..


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
 

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To be an Irish Republican you have to a Nationalist 1st

- this is in the realm of the bleeding obvious BTW.
Small "n" nationalist perhaps.... as in Internationalist
the context of Irish Republicanism. Where or when have you ever heard Sinn Fein describe themselves as Nationalists? On the contrary they always go out of their way to use the phrase "Republicans AND Nationalists". Although since their killing machine , PIRA, has eased off on their favourite past time they have hinted at acceptance of the Nationalist tag.
Spotlight.How.to.Police.the.Dissidents.
Nationalism is what Provisional FF members like Martin McAllister support: 15 minutes in, albeit from the perspective of former 'armed Republicanism', although not exactly the same, it's quite similar to the strategic position adopted by the old Dublin Guards and the Irish National Army in the 1922-1924 period, before the Irish Republican Brotherhood disbanded and the Irish Defense Forces adopted the logo of Óglaigh na hÉireann.

Republicanism starts with the self, and the 'isms' of Irish Republicanism are as follows:

Anti-Fascism
Anti-Rascism
Anti-Sectarianism
Feminism
Socialism
Community Activism
Environmentalism
Trade Unionism
Nationalism
Internationalism

Republicans support the historic 1916 Irish Republic:

''We proclaimed a Republic-in-arms. It was ratified by the votes of the people. We swore we would defend it with our lives.'' - Cathal Brugha

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The Provisional Government of the Irish Republic to the People of Ireland

“Irish men and Irish women: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

“Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

“We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State, and we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

“The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Irish Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien Government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

“Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National Government, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provisional Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.

“We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish Nation must, by its valour and discipline and the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.

Signed on behalf of the Provisional Government: Tomás Ó Cléirigh, Seán Mac Diarmada, Tomás Mac Donncha, Pádraig Mac Piarais, Seosamh Pluincéad, Séamas Ó Conghaile, Eamonn Ceannt, Dublin, 1916
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The claim to Irish Independence:


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The 1918 General Election, which ratified the Republic declared in 1916 by the Provisional Government

The Irish claim to National Independence - Document submitted by the 32 County Sovereignty Committee to the United Nations on 30 April 1998

The following is a letter sent from the Irish Republican Delegate at Paris to Premier Clemenceau and all the Peace Conference delegates, claiming for Ireland admission to the League of nations as a Constituent member:

Letter to M. Clemenceau,
Paris, February 22, 1919.

Sir: As the accredited envoy of the Government of the Irish Republic, I have the honour to bring to you notice the claim of my Government, in the name of the Irish nation, for international recognition of the independence of Ireland, and for the admission of Ireland as a constituent member of the League of Nations.

The Irish people seized the opportunity of the general election of December, 1918, to declare unmistakably its national will; only in 26, out of 105, constituencies of the country was England able to find enough ‘loyalists’ to return members favourable to the union between Ireland and Great Britain; for the remaining 79 seats the electors choose as members men who believed in self-determination; of these 73, who now represent an immense majority of the people, went forward as republican candidates, and each of these republican members has pledged to assert by every means in his power the right of Ireland to complete independence which she demands, under a national republican government, free from all English interference.

On the 21st of January, 1919, those of the Republican members whom England had not yet cast into her prisons met in the Irish capital in a national assembly, to which, as the only Irish Parliament de jure, they had summoned all Irish members of Parliament; on the same day the national assembly unanimously voted the declaration of independence appended hereto and unanimously issued the message to the free peoples likewise appended.

The national assembly has also caused a detailed statement of the case of Ireland to be drawn up. That statement will demonstrate that the right of Ireland to be considered a nation admits of no denial, and, moreover, that that right is inferior in no respect to that of the new states constituted in Europe and recognised since the war; three members, Eamon de Valera, Mr. Arthur Griffith and Count Plunkett, have been delegated by the national assembly to present the statement to the Peace Conference and to the League of Nations Commission in the name of the Irish people.

Accordingly, I have the honour, sir, to beg you to be good enough to fix a date to receive the delegates above named, who are anxious for the earliest possible opportunity to establish formally and definitely before the Peace Conference and the League of Nations Commission, now assembled in Paris, Ireland’s indisputable rights to international recognition for her independence and the propriety of her claim to enter the League of Nations as one of its constituent members.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

Sean T. O’Kelly
 
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The claim to Irish Independence:


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The 1918 General Election, which ratified the Republic declared in 1916 by the Provisional Government

The Irish claim to National Independence - Document submitted by the 32 County Sovereignty Committee to the United Nations on 30 April 1998

The following is a letter sent from the Irish Republican Delegate at Paris to Premier Clemenceau and all the Peace Conference delegates, claiming for Ireland admission to the League of nations as a Constituent member:

Letter to M. Clemenceau,
Paris, February 22, 1919.

Sir: As the accredited envoy of the Government of the Irish Republic, I have the honour to bring to you notice the claim of my Government, in the name of the Irish nation, for international recognition of the independence of Ireland, and for the admission of Ireland as a constituent member of the League of Nations.

The Irish people seized the opportunity of the general election of December, 1918, to declare unmistakably its national will; only in 26, out of 105, constituencies of the country was England able to find enough ‘loyalists’ to return members favourable to the union between Ireland and Great Britain; for the remaining 79 seats the electors choose as members men who believed in self-determination; of these 73, who now represent an immense majority of the people, went forward as republican candidates, and each of these republican members has pledged to assert by every means in his power the right of Ireland to complete independence which she demands, under a national republican government, free from all English interference.

On the 21st of January, 1919, those of the Republican members whom England had not yet cast into her prisons met in the Irish capital in a national assembly, to which, as the only Irish Parliament de jure, they had summoned all Irish members of Parliament; on the same day the national assembly unanimously voted the declaration of independence appended hereto and unanimously issued the message to the free peoples likewise appended.

The national assembly has also caused a detailed statement of the case of Ireland to be drawn up. That statement will demonstrate that the right of Ireland to be considered a nation admits of no denial, and, moreover, that that right is inferior in no respect to that of the new states constituted in Europe and recognised since the war; three members, Eamon de Valera, Mr. Arthur Griffith and Count Plunkett, have been delegated by the national assembly to present the statement to the Peace Conference and to the League of Nations Commission in the name of the Irish people.

Accordingly, I have the honour, sir, to beg you to be good enough to fix a date to receive the delegates above named, who are anxious for the earliest possible opportunity to establish formally and definitely before the Peace Conference and the League of Nations Commission, now assembled in Paris, Ireland’s indisputable rights to international recognition for her independence and the propriety of her claim to enter the League of Nations as one of its constituent members.

I have the honour to be, sir,

Your obedient servant,

Sean T. O’Kelly
 
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Republicans supported the continuity of the delegated authority to the Republican-government-in-exile and the legitimacy of the 2nd All-Ireland Dáil, alongside the re-assembly and re-convening of the historic Irish Republic proclaimed in 1916:


In a statement issued on December 8, 1938, the surviving members of the Second Dáil announced the following decision:

"Dáil Éireann: In consequence of armed opposition ordered and sustained by England, and the defection of elected representatives of the people over the period since the Republican Proclamation of Easter 1916 was ratified, three years later, by the newly inaugurated Government of the Irish Republic, we hereby delegate the authority reposed in us to the Army Council, in the spirit of the decision taken by Dáil Éireann in the spring of 1921, and later endorsed by the Second Dáil.

"In thus transferring the trust of which it has been our privilege to be the custodians for twenty years, we earnestly exhort all citizens and friends of the Irish Republic at home and abroad to dissociate themselves openly and absolutely from England's unending aggression's and we urge on them to disregard England's recurring war scares, remembering that our ancient and insular nation, bounded entirely by the seas, has infinitely less reason to become involved in the conflicts now so much threatened than have the neutral small nations lying between England and the Power she desires to overthrow.

"Confident, in delegating this sacred trust to the Army of the Republic that, in their every action towards its consummation, they will be inspired by the high ideals and the chivalry of our martyred comrades, we, as Executive Council of Dáil Éireann, Government of the Republic, append our names, signed: Sean O Ceallaigh - Ceann Comhairle, George Count Plunkett, Professor William Stockley, Mary Mac Swiney, Brian O hUiginn, Tom Maguire, Cathal O Murchadha”


The Irish Republican Army Declaration of War against Britain, 12th of January, 1939, signed on behalf of the Army Council by Patrick Fleming, addressed to the British Foreign Secretary, to His Excellency, the Rt. Hon. Lord Halifax, C.G.B:

''I have the honour to inform you that the Government of the Irish Republic, having as its first duty towards its people the establishment and maintenance of peace and order here, demand the withdrawal of all British armed forces stationed in Ireland. The occupation of our territory by troops of another nation and the persistent subvention here of activities directly against the expressed national will and in the interests of a foreign power, prevent the expansion and development of our institution in consonance with our social needs and purposes, and must cease.

"The Government of the Irish Republic believe that a period of four days is sufficient notice for your Government to signify its intentions in the matter of the military evacuation and for the issue of your Declaration of Abdication in respect of our country. Our Government reserves the right of appropriate action without further notice if upon the expiration of this period of grace, these conditions remain unfulfilled."

Óglaigh na h-Éireann, Irish Republican Army, General Head-Quarters, Dublin, January 12th, 1939


On Sunday, the 15th of January, with no reply from the British Government, a proclamation was posted in public places announcing a Declaration-Of-War on Britain:

"On the twenty-third day of April in the year 1916 in the City of Dublin, seven men, who were representative in spirit and outlook and purpose of the Irish Nation that had never yielded to nor accepted the British conquest, set their humble and almost unknown names to the foregoing document that has passed into history, making the names of the seven signatories immortal. These signatures were sealed with the blood of the immortal seven, and of many others who followed them into one of the most gallant fights in the history of the world; and the Irish Nation rose from shame to honour, from humiliation to pride, from slavery to freedom...."

"Unfortunately, because men were foolish enough to treat with an armed enemy within their gates, the English won the peace. Weakness and treachery caused a resumption of the war and the old English tactic of 'divide and conquer' were exploited to the fullest extent. Partition was introduced, the country divided into two parts with two separate Parliaments subject to and controlled by the British Government. The armed forces of England still occupy six of our counties in the North and reserve the right, 'in time of war or strained relations', to reoccupy the ports which they have just evacuated in the southern part of Ireland. Ireland is still tied, as she has been for centuries past, to take part in England's wars. In the Six Counties, a large number of Republican soldiers are held prisoners by England. Further weakness on the part of some of our people, broken faith and make-believe, have postponed the enthronement of the living Republic, but the proclamation of Easter Week and the declaration of independence stand and must stand for ever. No man, no matter how far he has fallen away from his national faith, has dared to repudiate them. They constitute the rallying centre for the unbought manhood of Ireland in the fight that must be made to make them effective and to redeem the nation's self-respect that was abandoned by a section of our people in 1923."

"The time has come to make that fight. There is no need to redeclare the Republic of Ireland, now or in the future. There is no need to reaffirm the declaration of Irish independence. But the hour has come for the supreme effort to make both effective. So in the name of the unconquered dead and the faithful living, we pledge ourselves to that task. We call upon England to withdraw her armed forces, her civilian officials and institutions, and representatives of all kinds from every part of Ireland as an essential preliminary to arrangements for peace and friendship between the two countries; and we call upon the people of all Ireland, at home and in exile, to assist us in the effort we, are about to make, in God's name, to compel that evacuation and to enthrone the Republic of Ireland."

In a statement dated December 31, 1969, Thomas Maguire said:

''An IRA convention, held in December 1969, by a majority of the delegates attending, passed a resolution removing all embargoes on political participation in parliament from the Constitution and Rules of the IRA.

"In December, 1938, the surviving faithful members of the last 32-county Republican parliament, the Second Dáil, elected in 1921, delegated their executive powers of government to the Army Council of the IRA. This proclamation of 1938 was signed by Sean O Ceallaigh, Ceann Comhairle, George Count Plunkett, Professor William Stockley, Mary Mac Swiney, Brian O hUiginn, Cathal O Murchadha and myself Tomas Maguire.

"I hereby further declare that the Provisional Executive and the Provisional Army Council are the lawful Executive and Army Council respectively of the IRA and that the governmental authority delegated in the Proclamation of 1938 now resides in the Provisional Army Council and its lawful successors. I fully endorse their call for support for Irish people everywhere towards the realisation of the full freedom of Ireland.

Dated: 31-December-1969
Signed: Commandant-General Thomas Maguire, Tomás Maguidhir

"I hereby declare that the Continuity Executive and the Continuity Army Council are the lawful Executive and Army Council respectively of the Irish Republican Army, and that the governmental authority, delegated in the Proclamation of 1938, now resides in the Continuity Army Council, and its lawful successors."

Dated: 25-July-1987
Signed: Commandant-General Thomas Maguire, Tomás Maguidhir
 
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This is the Oath that SF MPs will be taking next year when they enter the Westminster Parliament:

Under the Parliamentary Oaths Act 1866,[10] members of both Houses of Parliament are required to take an Oath of Allegiance upon taking their seat in Parliament,[11] after a general election, or by-election, and after the death of the monarch. Until the oath or affirmation is taken, an MP may not receive a salary, take their seat, speak in debates or vote. The usual wording of the oath is:



Members who object to swearing the oath are permitted to make a solemn affirmation under the terms of the Oaths Act 1978:



You cant take an Oath like that

- and call yourself an Irish Republican!
You can if you mutter 'mar dhea' under your breath!
 

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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
Spotlight.How.to.Police.the.Dissidents.
15 minutes: Provisional Fianna Fáil member Martin McAllister calling for Provisional Sinn Féin to support British Policing in the 6 Counties with authority in London.

"Sinn Féin: Verified account @sinnfeinireland Nov 6 In the face of a growing crime problem, we need more Gardaí @JOBrien_SF."

"NMunsterman said: "You miss my point. Cruimh is a retired RUC gunman who is well-read on Republicanism/Catholicism and so on. As such, Republicans and Catholics should embrace him, not for his sake but for their own. He raised, as an example, James Connolly's attitude to "fallen women" which kinda takes the sheen off Connolly a bit. If Irish Republicanism was a worthy ideology, those who follow it should be able to debate him on that, not only with Marx's slave of the slave cliches but with a rethink of their own shallow ideology: They seem "oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority in the past."

1. Finns fought in the GPO in 1916.
2. The Finns do have a problem with drink.
3. Never scuba dive with them

1. 1 Finn
2. Some Finns.
3. At least they bring your dead body back.."


And there we have it: The very same poster encouraging robust and heated debate, between Republicans and the RUC, a section of the armed wing of the administrative buffers, Leinster House and Stormont, which stand between British Capitalism and the Irish Republic, but this is where you are wrong, again: I'm not one of the permanently aggrieved snowflakes. Quite the opposite: I'm just a regular, ordinary, everyday person, and 99% of my time on this site, was spent in the history section. The fact that you spout the type of platitudes you spout about slavery, the far right, the far left and Marxism, and switch to autopilot when someone like me takes issue with being referred to in the aforementioned manner, tells me akkk I needd to nose about you, son.

Who wants Brexit and who does not? Clue: the majority in NI does not want Brexit and that is a plurality of the vote, geniuses, or the vote would not have been 55.78 Remain

So who is speaking for NI and who is not?
The IRA In The 1960s: Rethinking The Republic? Well, it looks like the Green IRA had the last laugh, at least as far as Brexit is concerned. The idea being that Red Roy is now a Green Banker, pun intended, and his followers hold the balance of power in the Occupied 6 Counties with 1%-2% of the gerrymandered vote. 'Shared Ireland' is the logical conclusion of the approach taken by the 1916 Societies and Sinn Féin to Brexit and the National Question:

Who is/are "Shared Ireland"? - [B]Shared Ireland Podcast Team[/B]‏ @[B]SharedIreland[/B] Nov 4 - More "Discussion about the reunification of Ireland has moved centre stage" "We believe that a new conversation is now required about our shared future" A very powerful message by @IrelandsFuture, backed up by over 1,000 citizens from across the Island, time to plan! #SharedIreland

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"The Irish Socialist Republican Party was founded in Dublin in 1896 by a few workingmen whom the author had succeeded in interesting in his proposition that the two currents of revolutionary thought in Ireland – the Socialist and the National – were not antagonistic, but complementary, and that the Irish Socialist was in reality the best Irish patriot, but that in order to convince the Irish people of that fact he must first of all learn to look inward upon Ireland for his justification, rest his arguments upon the facts of Irish history, and be the champion against the subjection of Ireland and all that it implies. That the Irish National question was at bottom an economic question, and that the economic struggle must first be able to function freely nationally before it could function internationally, and as Socialists were opposed to all oppression, so they should ever be foremost in the daily battle against all its manifestations, social and political. As the embodiment of this teaching, the party adopted the watchword, Irish Socialist Republic, and by deduction therefrom, the aforementioned name of their organization.

This policy received its formal endorsement by the International Socialist movement when at the International Socialist Congress at Paris in 1900 the delegates of the I.S.R.P. were formally seated as the delegates of a nation separate from England." - Connolly - 1909 - Erins Hope
The only project of a 'Shared Ireland' even remotely compatible with the political ideology of Irish Socialist Republicanism, is the Linda Ervine Gaelic Language Project, as a potential administrative unit of the Department of Education under the authority of a National Assembly. Ne'r have so many been convinced of so little, and ne'r have so many strayed so far away from the path to the Republic.

The World Cup would have been worth between €15 - €25 billion, as I guestimated here:Stadium of Cornwall given the go-ahead - Should Celtic Nations bid for World Cup?, and an estimated 250,000 jobs, of which 20%-30% could have been permanent, so I was delighted to find that the British-Irish bid to host World Cup could be scuppered by China, and I self-evidently appreciate the value of Independence, outside Policing two separate administrations.
 

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15 minutes: Provisional Fianna Fáil member Martin McAllister calling for Provisional Sinn Féin to support British Policing in the 6 Counties with authority in London.

"Sinn Féin: Verified account @sinnfeinireland Nov 6 In the face of a growing crime problem, we need more Gardaí @JOBrien_SF."

"NMunsterman said: "You miss my point. Cruimh is a retired RUC gunman who is well-read on Republicanism/Catholicism and so on. As such, Republicans and Catholics should embrace him, not for his sake but for their own. He raised, as an example, James Connolly's attitude to "fallen women" which kinda takes the sheen off Connolly a bit. If Irish Republicanism was a worthy ideology, those who follow it should be able to debate him on that, not only with Marx's slave of the slave cliches but with a rethink of their own shallow ideology: They seem "oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority in the past."

1. Finns fought in the GPO in 1916.
2. The Finns do have a problem with drink.
3. Never scuba dive with them

1. 1 Finn
2. Some Finns.
3. At least they bring your dead body back.."


And there we have it: The very same poster encouraging robust and heated debate, between Republicans and the RUC, a section of the armed wing of the administrative buffers, Leinster House and Stormont, which stand between British Capitalism and the Irish Republic, but this is where you are wrong, again: I'm not one of the permanently aggrieved snowflakes. Quite the opposite: I'm just a regular, ordinary, everyday person, and 99% of my time on this site, was spent in the history section. The fact that you spout the type of platitudes you spout about slavery, the far right, the far left and Marxism, and switch to autopilot when someone like me takes issue with being referred to in the aforementioned manner, tells me akkk I needd to nose about you, son.



The IRA In The 1960s: Rethinking The Republic? Well, it looks like the Green IRA had the last laugh, at least as far as Brexit is concerned. The idea being that Red Roy is now a Green Banker, pun intended, and his followers hold the balance of power in the Occupied 6 Counties with 1%-2% of the gerrymandered vote. 'Shared Ireland' is the logical conclusion of the approach taken by the 1916 Societies and Sinn Féin to Brexit and the National Question:

Who is/are "Shared Ireland"? - [B]Shared Ireland Podcast Team[/B]‏ @[B]SharedIreland[/B] Nov 4 - More "Discussion about the reunification of Ireland has moved centre stage" "We believe that a new conversation is now required about our shared future" A very powerful message by @IrelandsFuture, backed up by over 1,000 citizens from across the Island, time to plan! #SharedIreland

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The only project of a 'Shared Ireland' even remotely compatible with the political ideology of Irish Socialist Republicanism, is the Linda Ervine Gaelic Language Project, as a potential administrative unit of the Department of Education under the authority of a National Assembly. Ne'r have so many been convinced of so little, and ne'r have so many strayed so far away from the path to the Republic.

The World Cup would have been worth between €15 - €25 billion, as I guestimated here:Stadium of Cornwall given the go-ahead - Should Celtic Nations bid for World Cup?, and an estimated 250,000 jobs, of which 20%-30% could have been permanent, so I was delighted to find that the British-Irish bid to host World Cup could be scuppered by China, and I self-evidently appreciate the value of Independence, outside Policing two separate administrations.

The passage you ascribe to me as above was not even written by me.

Yet another, tiresome hopeless fail on your part.
 

Antóin Mac Comháin

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Advises people not to play the man:

No problem - but no point in becoming abusive.
Plays the man:

Basically, you are articulating the point that he has exposed himself to be the BS-artist that he very clearly is.
Tells a whopper of a porkie:

Jeez......so over 92% of the people in Ireland are "beyond the Pale" - according to you.

For what it's worth, those 92% "beyond the Pale" - according to you - will not under any circumstances allow Ireland to voluntarily become a UK whore-house again by leaving the EU at this moment in history.

The EU may not last forever - but right now it does and 92% of the Irish Nation in Ireland sees it as by far the best show in town for Ireland.

"Irish Republicanism is incompatible with membership of the EU"
- Antóin Mac Comháin
Which contradicts the policy of the party being defended:

"Lisbon equals less power: Article 6 changes the way in which key decisions at the Council of Ministers are taken. The changes would see Irelands voting strength reduced to 0.8% while German’s would increase to 17% and Britain’s would increase to 12%. The Council is where states are meant to meet as equals. The Lisbon Treaty significantly reduces Ireland’s strength on this important body." - Lisbon Treaty = A Bad Deal: McDonald | Sinn Féin
Hence, can't answer a simple question consistent with the flow of the debate:

Can you point out exactly when and where there was an increase in Irish voting strength on the Council of Minsters between now and then?
And again, refuses point-blank to acknowledge the inconsistency or to answer a direct question:

Out of curiosity, who elected Martin McAllister as the FF spokesman on Policing?
Thus, obfuscates, and resorts to demonizing opponents as allies of the far-right:

Those in Britain advocating that Ireland leave the EU are backed by "Policy Exchange" - the largest and also the most influential think tank on the British right, the Right wing of the British Tory party, UKIP and the Brexit party in Britain.

Moreover, these are Groups that are bitterly opposed to the GFA - just like the DUP/UDA - and who have nothing but the utmost contempt for the Irish Nation.

Interesting fellow-travellers you have.
Produces Get Out Of Jail Card:

The passage you ascribe to me as above was not even written by me.

Yet another, tiresome hopeless fail on your part.
Fair enough. I apologize unreservedly, but it wasn't intentional.
 

NMunsterman

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Advises people not to play the man:



Plays the man:



Tells a whopper of a porkie:



Which contradicts the policy of the party being defended:



Hence, can't answer a simple question consistent with the flow of the debate:



And again, refuses point-blank to acknowledge the inconsistency or to answer a direct question:



Thus, obfuscates, and resorts to demonizing opponents as allies of the far-right:



Produces Get Out Of Jail Card:



Fair enough. I apologize unreservedly, but it wasn't intentional.

"The lady doth go off the deep end whilst endlessly spouting the same tiresome drivel over and over and over".

Whatever floats your boat.
 

The Herren

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Nationalism is what Provisional FF members like Martin McAllister support: 15 minutes in, albeit from the perspective of former 'armed Republicanism', although not exactly the same, it's quite similar to the strategic position adopted by the old Dublin Guards and the Irish National Army in the 1922-1924 period, before the Irish Republican Brotherhood disbanded and the Irish Defense Forces adopted the logo of Óglaigh na hÉireann.

Republicanism starts with the self, and the 'isms' of Irish Republicanism are as follows:

Anti-Fascism
Anti-Rascism
Anti-Sectarianism
Feminism
Socialism
Community Activism
Environmentalism
Trade Unionism
Nationalism
Internationalism

Republicans support the historic 1916 Irish Republic:
What a glorious pile of horsemanure.
 

Mickeymac

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Not true in the context of Irish Republicanism.
Where or when have you ever heard Sinn Fein describe themselves as Nationalists?
On the contrary they always go out of their way to use the phrase "Republicans AND Nationalists". Although since their killing machine , PIRA, has eased off on their favourite past time they have hinted at acceptance of the Nationalist tag.


SF are a political party bonehead...end of.
 

NMunsterman

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And long may those walls remain. We need higher walls, we need thicker walls, we need longer walls and we need far more walls.

With your self-professed adoration of Walls, you'll just love Craggy Island.
Give Dougal a shout and he'll send the boat over for you.

PS:
Burn the boat upon arrival in Craggy Island like a good lad.
 

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Back on topic and a great article by Jude which is recommended reading for the clueless and the cluelessness...….

 


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