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Sinn Fein hurt by Adams TV debate performance?


MuchToDo

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Or the Six-One interview where he blithely acknowledged that they wanted to spend 5 billion euro buying back Aer Lingus, Irish Ferries and Eircom. Dobson asks where that would come from, response "we have the money"...
 

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His performance accross the board was terrible, no grasp of what the south is all about, and that its a much more sophisticated constituency than Norn Irn.
 

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Most definately- it was abject. I often wonder if it is as simple as Sinn Fein no longer really relevant in the 26 counties. By this i mean, given that the 'peace process' is bedded down- a vote for sinn fein no longer is a vote encouraging the ending of their 'war'. As for their policies? Walter Mitty stuff. It seems the stakeholders of middle ireland came out and voted for the status quo.

Just my hunch...?
 

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i believe so as he came across very poorly on the topics that matter down here and clearly had no grasp of economic's, kept harping back to his strengths re the north......
 

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MacO'velli said:
His performance accross the board was terrible, no grasp of what the south is all about, and that its a much more sophisticated constituency than Norn Irn.
The South of Ireland or North are not a constituencies and if you think that there is anything sophisticated about the Irish electorate you are sadly mistaken, they have been bought off by auction politics pure and simple.

Adams was not good in the debate but anybody voting Sinn Fein was voting for more equality better health system etc. not on how an individual can manipulate numbers on TV as Cowen, McDowell etc. are more than able to do. So probably no votes were lost because of TV appearance.

Sean Crowe lost his seat because of his natioanl and global focus which doesn't go down to well with the Irish electorate who would rather you worked at getting their council house windows replaced.

Dick Roche on the other hand...what a joke...Minister for the Environment spending all his time doing favours for friends and his chosen constituents and fcuk all about his job.
 

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Even though Adams talked too much about the North, I think they actually missed an opportunity to exploit the all-Ireland dimension.

If they had taken the Enterprise portfolio at Stormont instead of education, and moved on the corporation tax issue earlier, they could have benefitted from the growing support for an all-Ireland economy in the northern business sector, giving them more economic credibility.

Maybe that would have been a stretch ideologically, but they did move on corporation tax in the end, anyway.

Also, they should have put up a TD for the TV debate. If you're talking about being in Government you should be putting forward your potential Ministers.
 

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Sinn Fein vote up 0.2%. Despite the big parties squeezing the PDs, the Greens and Labour, SF's vote has increased.
 

drbob1972

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and so far -1 TD, your point ?
 

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I'm glad SF are gettin a bit of a shake down in this. I'm guessing that this is a demonstration of their actual current relevance in Irish politics. One that really annoyed me through the campaign was there very agressive/offensive campaigning - it was completely over board.
 

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drbob1972 said:
and so far -1 TD, your point ?
Actually it's the same number of seats. That waffle aside my point is that talk of SFs 'collapse' is a lie. Would you like to debate that one of the few parties who have increased their overall vote represents a collapse?
 

mactheknife

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Yes but not much of a rise, eh? I had pointed out earlier that SF have suffered a decline in support since the local elections. Perhaps it's time for them to get their heads out of the sand and address the issue of their popularity?
 

drbob1972

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how is losing one sitting TD and not so far having any new ones elected the same no of seats ?
 

Ciaran

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I think that given the fact that FF and PSF have both cited the GFA as the vehicle for achieving unity, why would 'republicans' in the south vote for an untried party with regards to every other aspect of political life in the south. The GFA far from putting the issue of partition centre stage in Irish life has pushed it off the radar. As Bertie stated "The constitutional issue is now settled" People are voting on the issues that Adams couldn't address to their satisfaction.
 

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drbob1972 said:
how is losing one sitting TD and not so far having any new ones elected the same no of seats ?
The SF vote has increased. Do you deny this?
 

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sure i agree by 0.2 % and less 1 TD that you cannot call progress
 

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There is no doubt in my view that Gerry Adams' performance was a factor with some voters. He seemed to blame McDowell on the Radio, but I wouldn't agree with him there. I mean, Gerry Adams has dealt very well with an agressive and hostile media for years. There definitely was a sense of a man who was not on top of the situation in the 26 counties.

However, I think the big factor was a rally to support Fianna Fáil in the face of a potential real challenge from Fine Gael... and to tell you the truth, that is something I can understand perfectly well. Sinn Féin did well here in West Tyrone, for example, when there was a potential that a split nationalist vote would have left the seat open to a unionist...

That said, the loss of Seán Crowe's seat needs to be analysed. I doubt if that type of loss can be attributed to a tv debate.

There is definitely a question about why people should vote for Sinn Féin rather than Fianna Fáil. Certainly, a tuned in socialist minded person would see the difference, but the average voter in the 26 just sees two republican parties, one with a centre of gravity in the 6 counties, and the other with a purely 26 county organisation but reaching out to the whole island via GFA, Boyne visit, etc. Why not vote for the one that is actually going to be in power?

A Sinn Féin/Fianna Fáil merger makes historical sense, but the "time lapse" between the two parties makes it difficult.
 

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drbob1972 said:
sure i agree by 0.2 % and less 1 TD that you cannot call progress
I'm not happy with it because our standards of improvement are higher than the others (all of whom have decreased their votes) but its still an increase. Whats your opinion on SF increasing their votes when other smaller parties decreased theirs?
 

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drbob1972 said:
sure i agree by 0.2 % and less 1 TD that you cannot call progress
They ran some candidates in every constituencies many of them no hopers, but they picked up handfulls of votes in these constituencies, thats not progress, there are always a few loonies!
 
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