Sinn Féin "Make a Stand " Rally, Dec. 4th.

Catalpa

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SF voted with the Govt in Sept 2008 like FG, Greens, BECAUSE IF THE BANKS WERE NOT SUPPORTED WE WOULD HAVE GONE LIKE ICELAND IN 24 HOURS. David McWillams etc all supported this move as IT WAS ESSENTIAL AT THE TIME.

Labour didn't vote for it, couldn't offer an alternative, just good old fashioned political point scoring and to hell with the country if it collapses.
Maybe Iceland made the right decision.

Take the pain there and then and move on...


How and ever that is something we do not know

- that is what the Bankers were threatening the Government with

- It's not a case that the Government could have done nothing

- its their disastrous decision to underwrite ALL the debts incurred within the Irish Banking system

- when they had no idea how big that hole was.

Why did SF support them in this idiocy!:evil:
 


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For crying out loud they have no credibility on this one

- because they voted with FF on the bank bailouts!

What part of this do you not understand?

Wolfgang Munchau on the bailout :

"I would go as far as to classify the decision as one of the most catastrophic political decision taken in post-war Europe. This not so much because of the decision itself – it was necessary to stop the rot at the time – but because of a lack of action to embed the decision into a strategy to solve the problems of the banking sector – lack of capitalisation, abundance of toxic assets, poor management, and of course, excessive size. "

A lot of things that should have been done after the guarantee was placed are only finally been done now.

Munchau thought the guarantee worked as a required desperate measure. Its just that every decision after it has been wrong and later rowed back on. They finally nationalised despite saying they never would. They were forced to finally announce the size of the Anglo Bailout and are finally talking about how to handle the senior bondholders 2 years later.

http://www.eurointelligence.com/index.php?id=581&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2915&tx_ttnews[backPid]=901&cHash=5fc6365df5
 

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Maybe Iceland made the right decision.
Maybe I'll get a date with Miss World at the weekend.

Take the pain there and then and move on...


How and ever that is something we do not know

- that is what the Bankers were threatening the Government with
So, if they had let the country go crash you'd be the very one on complaining about it wouldn't you Einstein. And BTW, Iceland is far, far, from being cosily out of trouble and hardship.

- It's not a case that the Government could have done nothing
They did something Einstein, they gave state backing for the banks at the time.The alternate at the time was complete crash.

- its their disastrous decision to underwrite ALL the debts incurred within the Irish Banking system

- when they had no idea how big that hole was.

Why did SF support them in this idiocy!:evil:
Like FG, McWilliams, George Lee etc they supported the temporary guarantee, once the situation had stabilised they then supported the winding down of Anglo etc
 

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From whom does SF propose we continue to borrow money if cutbacks are not to be made?

If they don't answer that question they have no credibility
 

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We need all inclusive marches. Don't mind SF getting it going but there should be a No Banner No Flags approach so that nobody feels like they are marching behind any particular political ideology.

Imagine 200,000 people even, all silent and marching from different parts of the city, converging on the Green and then surrounding the Dáil like the "Ring around Regan" protest.
 

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"SF voted with the Govt in Sept 2008 like FG, Greens, BECAUSE IF THE BANKS WERE NOT SUPPORTED WE WOULD HAVE GONE LIKE ICELAND IN 24 HOURS. David McWillams etc all supported this move as IT WAS ESSENTIAL AT THE TIME.

Labour didn't vote for it, couldn't offer an alternative, just good old fashioned political point scoring and to hell with the country if it collapses. "

Slab showing all the economic sense of his manc property owning namesake - SF - still not able to break free of that FF-Lite with guns
 

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We need all inclusive marches. Don't mind SF getting it going but there should be a No Banner No Flags approach so that nobody feels like they are marching behind any particular political ideology.

Imagine 200,000 people even, all silent and marching from different parts of the city, converging on the Green and then surrounding the Dáil like the "Ring around Regan" protest.
It's never going to happen. Sinn Fein have called for this and they will want to advertise themselves. Others like the usual socialists and eirigi will turn out with their flags to try and out-do the others. Normal people will stay at home and leave them to it; unaware that it even took place unless they read sites like this one.
 

king5494

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Months now calling for marches and demo's . One comes along , "na ,don't like this one so I wont bother"

Will you's ever get a grip and get up of your arses and stop waiting for someone else to do something.
 

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I'm not calling for marches and demos. Personally I'm sick of them. All organised by sectional interest groups to highlight themselves and nothing else. FFS, ICTU organised a march last month and had feck all attendance by the working man. Then it turns out their affiliate unions have been taking junkets to the US and beyond to celebrate St. Patrick's day at the expense of CF wards etc. Even the country's socialists are corrupt now!

SF are a non-party in the South, even with the mess we're in. Perhaps they hope if MLM addresses this march she will somehow be relevant again and get parachuted into another Dublin constituency. Otherwise I can't see why they are having a march at all. Marching certainly doesn't propose any solutions and they are merely pandering the the lowest common denominator in the hope of a few votes.
 

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I cant wait
What do we want - government out
when do we want it - now
 

king5494

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Let us be honest with ourselves . Ireland is bankrupt financially , ethically ,morally and socially due to the original dodgy foundations upon which it was built upon .

Europe's expand or die policy is in tatters and soon they will cut us loose financially to protect its core.

We can admit this and march for a new future in any bloody march or pretend that everything is fine and this is just a credit/debt problem.

The problems are systemic and will only be resolved by demonstrating our disdain for the current system and admit reality. MARCH,MARCH,MARCH any flaming march is better than sitting at home like a bloody gob************************e.
 
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From whom does SF propose we continue to borrow money if cutbacks are not to be made?

If they don't answer that question they have no credibility
read there last budget submission. From what I have seen on line they are now preparing their 2011 budget submission.

You might or might not like their approach but it will be costed via DoF, prepared with economists and an implementable alternative.

It will have credibility. Or at least as much credibility as every other plan and certaintly more credibility than FF and Brian Lenihan with their no nationalisation, only to nationalise, and therr no to discussion with senior bond holders only to turn around again.
 
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demonstrating our disdain for the current system and admit reality. MARCH,MARCH,MARCH any flaming march is better than sitting at home like a bloody gob************************e.
And you think this march is about facing reality? It's a pie in the sky fest aimed solely at maximising SF's vote - that's the objection that a lot of people here seem to have. I'll walk behind someone who'll say that they will cut and tax as required, not someone who pretends there is an easy way out.
 

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You ya pleb! Whats one of the busiest day in Dublin either a Friday or Monday? Your not going to cause much disruption on a Saturday!
I know you're new here, but thats no excuse for ignorance.

Its a march, not a strike. Its aim isn't to cause disruption. In fact causing disruption to people lucky enough to have work is the last thing a political party would want.

Try again.:roll:
 

king5494

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What I'm saying is at least the're marching , doesn't mean I am voting for them or will believe in SF policies . where are the Unions ? Unemployed ? and everyone else affected by these shower of banksters.

There sticking their head in the sand hoping it will all just go away, Don't rock the life boat or we'll fall out.
 


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