Sinn Féin more to the left than the 32csm?

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This may not be the right section for this but it's seems pretty appropriate as both groups are more associated with and stronger in the North, and their main point of policy is for the 6 counties to be unified with the 26.

This is a bizarre statement from the 32csm, who often claim to be of the left. Essentially they are telling a workers organisation to shut up in the interests of corporate profit maybe some ex-PDs, FGers or FFers will develop a soft spot for the 32csm after this?

Even Sinn Féin want the corporation tax to be higher.



Dublin 32 CSM tell David Begg General Secretary ICTU: "When you have nothing good to say then please be silent."

At the recent Irish Taxation Institute debate chaired by journalist Olivia O’Leary in Kildare St, Dublin, economics professor Karl Whelan said “I don’t think anyone believes” Ireland is going to reach a target of a 3 per cent deficit by 2014.

Also addressing the meeting were Mr David Begg General Secretary ICTU, Prof Whelan, William Slattery of State Street Ireland, and Feargal O’Rourke of PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Mr O’Rourke and Prof Whelan said they agreed with the European Commissioner Olli Rehn that Ireland’s days as a low tax economy were gone. Mr Slattery said he thought there was an agenda in Europe to push Ireland towards higher taxes but the Government must retain the 12.5 per cent corporation tax rate.

Mr David Begg accepted that Ireland was “under taxed” when compared with other countries. Many years ago he had wanted Ireland to adopt a Nordic model of high taxes and high quality public services; now Ireland was going to get high taxes for all the wrong reasons.

The above comment from Mr. Begg shows just how out of touch he is with the working class and with what is needed to keep jobs in Ireland or to attract much needed inward investment.

Recently, the EU Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs Olli Rehn sparked controversy when he answered a question about Ireland's low corporation tax rate by saying it was "a fact of life" that Ireland would no longer be a low-tax economy over the next 10 years.

On the 18th October, 2010 when asked about the importance of the 12.5pc corporation tax rate in Hollister's decision to locate the new jobs in Ballina, management at the US multinational healthcare company said the 12.5pc rate on offer here was the key factor in deciding to expand its plant in Co Mayo.

Mr. Crowe said: "It's very, very important. The tax rate allows us to re-invest in our facilities. If it weren't there, it would really open us up to looking globally at new sites to manufacture our products. Locations in Eastern Europe, India and the US also pitched for the new plant, but lost out to Ireland's tax incentive”.

Our question to Mr. Begg is how he proposes to attract inward investment from such multi-national companies without the retention of Ireland's low corporation tax rate 12.5pc?

The silence of our union leaders has to date being deafening but having said that maybe it is just as well if the way out of our current economic woes is people like David Begg supporting making a case for Ireland being under taxed.

Silence is golden in this case



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I haven't got much time for Begg, but this attack is a bit bonkers coming from a supposed republican left organisation.


Have they been so heavily infiltrated that even their press releases are screwy?
 

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I haven't got much time for Begg, but this attack is a bit bonkers coming from a supposed republican left organisation.


Have they been so heavily infiltrated that even their press releases are screwy?
I don't think this has anything to do with infiltration, but rather piss poor organisation and the fact they will take in anyone as long as they want 'Brits out'. Their claims to be of the left are a little hollow if this is the view of their group in the capital. Embarrassing.
 

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I don't think this has anything to do with infiltration, but rather piss poor organisation and the fact they will take in anyone as long as they want 'Brits out'. Their claims to be of the left are a little hollow if this is the view of their group in the capital. Embarrassing.
My tongue was firmly in my cheek.

Yes, it is embarrassing.
 

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To be fair, last I checked, wicklow was a different county.
To be fair, I can read, so I realised their Wicklow blog was publicising the Dublin 32csm statement. I put in bold the top of the blog post in my OP.
 

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If you keep going to the left is it possible that you might end up on the right ?
 

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I know there are many members of the sovereignty movement that are far left in their politics, but I think its been established that 32CSM is not a political party and is dedicated entirely to the issue of national sovereignty, which I dont think is a bad thing as I find at times socialism and the pursuit of issues attributed to it can lead to distraction from big issue of National liberation, if you look back through history, republican groups influenced by socialism have morphed into constitutional reformists.
 

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No, Provisional Sinn Féin refuse to even pay lip service to the idea of the socialist Republic in fear of losing their upper/middle class support. The statement was a copy and paste which should never have been released and does not represent the ideology of the 32 CSM
 

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No, Provisional Sinn Féin refuse to even pay lip service to the idea of the socialist Republic in fear of losing their upper/middle class support. The statement was a copy and paste which should never have been released and does not represent the ideology of the 32 CSM
What ideology?

Besides being opposed to the Brits, drugs and Nazies the 32 csm doesnt have one....You have anarchists and Maoists in it on the left and libertarians in it on the right...And certainly in Dublin the Provisionals pay a lot of lip service to a socialist Republic.
 

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No, Provisional Sinn Féin refuse to even pay lip service to the idea of the socialist Republic in fear of losing their upper/middle class support. The statement was a copy and paste which should never have been released and does not represent the ideology of the 32 CSM
I doubt that PSF have much support in the 'upper classes'. Most of their support seems to come from 'working class' areas.
 

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I doubt that PSF have much support in the 'upper classes'. Most of their support seems to come from 'working class' areas.
PSF in the north are a different to what they are in the south...And than again they are different thing in Cork and Dublin than they are in the countryside down here also...
 

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PSF in the north are a different to what they are in the south...And than again they are different thing in Cork and Dublin than they are in the countryside down here also...
Fair enough. I was perhaps being a little partitionist and thinking only of the South. Shame on me!
 

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Fair enough. I was perhaps being a little partitionist and thinking only of the South. Shame on me!
factual's faction got a motion passed at the Provies Ard Fheis to ban hare coursing...Which is of course very popular in Kerry was when Ferris copped on to the fact he got Gerry to drop it...The only thing keeping PSF together is the personality cult around Gerry and Marty.
 

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I doubt that PSF have much support in the 'upper classes'. Most of their support seems to come from 'working class' areas.
They'd have more than you think, especially amongst those under the age of 30. The outcome of the next election will be interesting in that regard alone.
 

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Provisional Sinn Féin have totally abandoned the ideology and principles of socialism. The 32CSM have been present at protests up and down the country in opposition to the social problems being inflicted on the people of Ireland. Our ideology is clear, we are a Republican group who will follow the path we see as leading us to the Republic and which benefits the people of Ireland. Our principles are not for sale!
 

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Provisional Sinn Féin have totally abandoned the ideology and principles of socialism. The 32CSM have been present at protests up and down the country in opposition to the social problems being inflicted on the people of Ireland. Our ideology is clear, we are a Republican group who will follow the path we see as leading us to the Republic and which benefits the people of Ireland. Our principles are not for sale!
And what path would that be? How is a UI going to be achieved?
 


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