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Sinn Féin TD Dessie Ellis linked to 50 murders


Iphonista

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This is a massive story and will be hugely embarrassing to Sinn Féin. Why has it being buried in a completely unrelated thread?

Mr Ellis has offered no comment which quite frankly is not good enough. Actually, it's contemptible. If he's not a mass murderer (and I'm not saying he is, mods), then he needs to state so publicly and declare his intention to sue the British state and the Irish Independent.

Anything less and the people of Ireland and Dublin North West will be forced to draw their own appalling conclusions

The Sinn Fein TD who is linked to 50 murders - National News - Independent.ie
 

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He then went on a hunger strike that lasted 37 days in protest against his pending extradition to England. He was eventually acquitted in London.
Last piece says it all really.

Indo dressing up old fairy tales as news.
 
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Socratus O' Pericles

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This is a massive story and will be hugely embarrassing to Sinn Féin. Why has it being buried in a completely unrelated thread?

Mr Ellis has offered no comment which quite frankly is not good enough. Actually, it's contemptible. If he's not a mass murderer (and I'm not saying he is, mods), then he needs to state so publicly and declare his intention to sue the British state and the Irish Independent.

Anything less and the people of Ireland and Dublin North West will be forced to draw their own appalling conclusions

The Sinn Fein TD who is linked to 50 murders - National News - Independent.ie
Sure, even if he did state publicly that he had no involvement a certain coterie of the commentariat wouldn't believe him anyway. Also, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. If you make allegations you must prove them to be true in court anything less and your case fails. I don't think this is a massive story at all it is a bit of dirty tricks and spin stuff between former combatants.


Peace and reconciliation man!!!
 

Ulster-Lad

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Why was he not prosecuted for these 50 murders? Why is he not rotting in prison?

It seems there are some credibility issues here.
 

Iphonista

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Why did he give an evasive reply? Why hasn't he already said he's suing?
 

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This is a massive story and will be hugely embarrassing to Sinn Féin. Why has it being buried in a completely unrelated thread?

Mr Ellis has offered no comment which quite frankly is not good enough. Actually, it's contemptible. If he's not a mass murderer (and I'm not saying he is, mods), then he needs to state so publicly and declare his intention to sue the British state and the Irish Independent.

Anything less and the people of Ireland and Dublin North West will be forced to draw their own appalling conclusions

The Sinn Fein TD who is linked to 50 murders - National News - Independent.ie
The people of Dublin North West are more than aware of Dessie's past, Jayus Dr Sir Tony O'Reilly's comics remind them often enough :rolleyes:. Dublin North West has drawn their own conclusions over the appalling mess that Fine Fail and Fianna Gael have made down the years. Bet Thatcher's murder of 323 young Argentine men on the Belgrano escapes yours and Dr Sir Tony's comics attentions though ;)
 

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This is a massive story and will be hugely embarrassing to Sinn Féin. Why has it being buried in a completely unrelated thread?

Mr Ellis has offered no comment which quite frankly is not good enough. Actually, it's contemptible. If he's not a mass murderer (and I'm not saying he is, mods), then he needs to state so publicly and declare his intention to sue the British state and the Irish Independent.

Anything less and the people of Ireland and Dublin North West will be forced to draw their own appalling conclusions

The Sinn Fein TD who is linked to 50 murders - National News - Independent.ie

Bad news week or someone recieved the christmas bonus cheque from MI5 and is getting a bit carried away.

Been a story on how the state paid €500 on British flags for Her Maj's visit. Now that is relevant news isn't it.
 

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Well at least he has Eamon O'Cuiv beaten and O'Cuiv was a Minister. By that I mean Ellis is allegedly in these reports linked to a high level of productivity. O'Cuiv was only ever linked to his grandfather and achieved nothing of any note.
 

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the irish independent is engaging in black propaganda once again.
 

Ulster-Lad

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Why did he give an evasive reply? Why hasn't he already said he's suing?
Do you think the PPS are that incompetent that they would allow a mass murderer to run free?
 

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This is a massive story and will be hugely embarrassing to Sinn Féin.
How so? Ellis was extradited to Britain amid huge publicity and subsequently acquitted.

Case closed.
 

james toney

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That is a very poor attempt at so called journalism.Bet the cringing was high,but the low standards let it slide onto the presses.
It's becoming normal now.
 

Iphonista

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Sure, even if he did state publicly that he had no involvement a certain coterie of the commentariat wouldn't believe him anyway. Also, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. If you make allegations you must prove them to be true in court anything less and your case fails. I don't think this is a massive story at all it is a bit of dirty tricks and spin stuff between former combatants.
Dirty tricks?? These are from confidential papers that are 30 years old....! If the Brits were plotting a dirty tricks campaign, they wouldn't with that long.
 

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Why was he not prosecuted for these 50 murders? Why is he not rotting in prison?

It seems there are some credibility issues here.
Would you accept that line of argument against members of the security forces who despite colluding with loyalist paramilitaries to murder nationalists have never faced prosecution?
 

Con Gallagher

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the irish independent is engaging in black propaganda once again.
They are taking their cue from the Taoiseach and tanaiste who recklessly engage in whataboutery/innuendo whenever SF criticises them on the economy, cuts, loyalty to bondholders etc.
 

Eire1976

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Dirty tricks?? These are from confidential papers that are 30 years old....! If the Brits were plotting a dirty tricks campaign, they wouldn't with that long.
You could plant things in state papers and claim it to be from the time.

Remember this is MI5 and co we are on about.
 

picador

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Dirty tricks?? These are from confidential papers that are 30 years old....! If the Brits were plotting a dirty tricks campaign, they wouldn't with that long.
Yes, they were trying to convince the Americans that Ellis was a real baddie, who should be handed over.
 
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