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SIPTU Propose keeping bubble era pay & instead taxing the wealthy AND a stimulus


cyberianpan

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Oh yeah, and they want to fund a stimulus to boot : :roll:

SIPTU proposes alternatives to Croke Park cuts - RTÉ News
SIPTU President Jack O'Connor has proposed that €1bn worth of savings could be achieved through the proceeds of the promissory note deal and increasing taxes on the wealthy.

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He believes proper use of this funding, along with a "significant off balance sheet stimulus programme"
The stimulus is directly connected with wanting to keep bubble era pay - this is as Siptu clearly believe that the economic output of the Celtic Tiger years were justified and need to be returned to. Also the call for stimulus will go down well with Labour backbenchers so things could get very messy ahead. Fact is our Public Sector workfare programme is already a massive stimulus , funded as it is by borrowing.


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Stop talking jack. For the love of god will you stop!
Clearly flailing about desperately trying to appear relevant. He is a liability to the unions at this stage in my opinion.
 

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This is the rat O'Connor trying to save his skin after attempting to walk his members into a bad deal.
 

Clanrickard

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Voodoo economics SIPTU style.
 

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Some context:

By these figures, the richest 10% of households pay almost 40% of all receipts from income tax, VAT, USC and PRSI. The second richest 10% pay a further 20%. Each of the poorest five deciles contributes less than 5% of all tax receipts – their combined contribution is just over 10%.
Paying tax in Ireland: Where the richest (and poorest) pay | Ronan Lyons

Those figures are from April 2012, so Budget 2013 isn't allowed for. But in digestible form those stats are:

Top 10% pay: 40% of tax
Top 20% pay: 60% of tax
Btm 50% pay: 10% of tax

And from the Front Line Alliance, their own figures on certain incomes:

Psychiatric Nurse
€48,860

Staff Nurse
€49,501

Garda
€54,954

Garda Sergeant
€62,123

Garda Inspector
€68,746

Fire Fighter
€60,575

Executive Officer
€45,616

Higher Executive Officer
€55,415
Welcome To 24/7 Front Line Services Alliance-->Financial Experts Report Reveals up to 11.4% Paycut from Croke Park 11
 

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Jack O'Connor is overpaid and needs a pay cut.

160K for talking out both sides of his mouth on the issue of austerity.
 

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Jack O'Connor thinks €1 billion can go a long way. He has already said:

They are also calling for the €500 million cut in social welfare that is scheduled for Budget 2014 to be scrapped and they want the Government to put money back into the health service and to spend on lower and middle income families.

The rest of the €1 billion plus savings should then be used to help people who are unable to pay their mortgages and are in danger of losing their home said O’Connor.

Further to those suggestions, SIPTU wants to treble the Government’s existing infrastructure stimulus plan of €2.25 billion that was announced last July following the State’s improved credit rating thanks to the promissory note deal.
and today says:

SIPTU president Jack O’Connor said the government’s goal of cutting €1 billion from the public pay bill by 2015 could be achieved by setting aside the €1 billion annual savings under the promissory note transaction, combined with taxes on high earners.
Maintain social welfare, increase health spending, solve the mortgage crisis, treble investment, protect public sector pay.

And there were people saying the Promissory Note deal was a bad deal. In Jack's world it is the solution to lots of our problems.
 

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Jack O'Connor thinks €1 billion can go a long way. He has already said:



and today says:



Maintain social welfare, increase health spending, solve the mortgage crisis, treble investment, protect public sector pay.

And there were people saying the Promissory Note deal was a bad deal. In Jack's world it is the solution to lots of our problems.

When will the penny drop with the PS ... we are in the crapper at the moment and we are paying more now in 2013 for pubilc sector pay and pensions then we were in 2008 when the sh1tstorm started...And all of this with a reduction in numbers...The IMF are telling us the cost base is too high in Ireland and to cut costs and yet the PS want to raise taxes. It has been proven time and again that cutting the cost base saves more jobs and helps an economy recover quicker than tax increases..and yet this year we have to stomach the increase in PRSI , property tax and the soon to come water charges...Enda Kenny needs to stick to his guns and give a 7% across the board cut in order to keep any integrity ..He and FG got the mosts votes for their 3:1 mantra of cuts vs taxes at the moment the opposite ratio is being applied..Enda grow a pair and start fighting for the private sector tax payers who are keeping the economy going
 

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Jack O'Connor is overpaid and needs a pay cut.

160K for talking out both sides of his mouth on the issue of austerity.
Austerity!!! Now that its time for the wealthy among us to wear the Green jersey and the poorer among us cannot give any more, we are told that income tax is to be reduced to help the wealthy to create more jobs for the poor. Green jersey my ass. Jack O'Connor needs to wear the green jersey. How long will it take for SIPTU members to realise that Jacko is milking the system.
 

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Some context:




Top 10% pay: 40% of tax
Top 20% pay: 60% of tax
Btm 50% pay: 10% of tax

Some questions :)

1. Is that direct taxation?
2. What percentage of their income do they pay in tax (as opposed to the percentage of the overall tax take, those figures appear to give)
3. Presumably, that is declared income.
4. Presumably it doesn't include those non-resident for tax purposes.
5. If the figures do not include indirect taxes, when they are included, how much does each category pay as a percentage of their incomes?


Thanks!
 

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Just looking at that salary table for PS workers. Those figures have to be way above the European average. O'Connor wants us to borrow more to keep PS salaries at artificially high levels.

The above table illustrates fairly clearly how FF bribed that sector.
 

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Some context:


Paying tax in Ireland: Where the richest (and poorest) pay | Ronan Lyons

Those figures are from April 2012, so Budget 2013 isn't allowed for. But in digestible form those stats are:

Top 10% pay: 40% of tax
Top 20% pay: 60% of tax
Btm 50% pay: 10% of tax

And from the Front Line Alliance, their own figures on certain incomes:



Welcome To 24/7 Front Line Services Alliance-->Financial Experts Report Reveals up to 11.4% Paycut from Croke Park 11
I'd love to know where they got that €60k figure for firefighters. Is that the average if you take every rank and divide by the pay bill?
 

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Jack O'Connor thinks €1 billion can go a long way. He has already said:



and today says:



Maintain social welfare, increase health spending, solve the mortgage crisis, treble investment, protect public sector pay.

And there were people saying the Promissory Note deal was a bad deal. In Jack's world it is the solution to lots of our problems.
What did O'Connor study at 3rd lvl, just curious cos it certainly wasn't economics ;)
 

iball123

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Some questions :)

1. Is that direct taxation?
2. What percentage of their income do they pay in tax (as opposed to the percentage of the overall tax take, those figures appear to give)
3. Presumably, that is declared income.
4. Presumably it doesn't include those non-resident for tax purposes.
5. If the figures do not include indirect taxes, when they are included, how much does each category pay as a percentage of their incomes?


Thanks!
Regardless of how much of their wage they give, they give enough as these figures prove..FFS sure as soon as you earn over 32k in this country the gov rape 52 cent from each euro back off you. It no longer pays to work in the country
 

iball123

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I'd love to know where they got that €60k figure for firefighters. Is that the average if you take every rank and divide by the pay bill?
Its also funny when the unions put up the figures on the public sector members its usually based on the lower end of the scale and does not bring in any of the allowances that they receive..yet any talk about cutting these allowances then all off a sudden they are part of core pay ..
 

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I heard Jack O'Connor elaborating on his 'proposal' on morning Ireland, seemingly by his voice with a straight face, which must have been difficult given that he found it hard to avoid the fact that the proposal is blackmail in order to avoid 'a mutually destructive confrontation' between the Government and the trades unions.

The Government must confront this kind of blackmail for what it is and face down the trades unions head on. Let them go on strike. We'll see how long they'll last. The teachers will have to fit it around their three-month summer holiday!
 

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Stop talking jack. For the love of god will you stop!
Clearly flailing about desperately trying to appear relevant. He is a liability to the unions at this stage in my opinion.
You are entitled to disagree with him however he represents a considerable number of Irish citizens and he is entitled to comment/lobby on the economy in the same way as other representative groups/bodies do, i.e IBEC, ISME, IFA, ICMSA, CFI, etc etc etc
 

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Regardless of how much of their wage they give, they give enough as these figures prove..FFS sure as soon as you earn over 32k in this country the gov rape 52 cent from each euro back off you. It no longer pays to work in the country
These figures prove nothing of the sort.

Someone with an income of 20 million could be paying 500k in tax. Works out at 2.5% effective tax rate. Would you be happy with that?
 
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