Sir Humphreycrats in Dep of Ent frustrated the ODCE getting accountants for 3 years,final jobvert was error strewn

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Sir Humphreycrats in Dep of Ent frustrated the ODCE getting accountants for 3 years,final jobvert was error strewn

Revealed: the three-year saga to hire six accountants for ODCE
Sanction was not granted until October [2014], however, at which point the Department of Jobs began the process of getting the hunt for the new posts started.
Seven months later, in May 2015, nothing had happened. Work on the advertisement had been “crowded out” by a variety of issues in the personnel section of the Department of Jobs.

In late November, the text of the advertisement was circulated. According to the documents revealed under Freedom of Information, it was seriously problematic. One internal email said: “It would be an embarrassment to the department if it were to be published as drafted.” ... In a separate email, he said the advertisement made no sense and “reads as though it was drafted by a child”.
It took 13 months to draft a jobvert, that was so riddled with errors as if written by a child ?

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Please take a look at this quote from an internal e-mail:

“It is difficult not to see the delays in sanctioning recruitment (due to scarce public money) as being the result of the State having to aid private institutions that got into difficulty due to poor corporate governance.”

Not too difficult to translate that into an accusation that the recruitment was deliberately delayed to cover up private sector white-collar malfeasance.
 

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This is sickening.

It shows just how seriously the Irish public service establishment take the task of investigating white-collar crime.
Well, they do it well

Rather than saying: no, wait 3 years for staff ... they put incompetent civil servants onto the case, who make fluffs, drag their heels etc

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Truly unbelievable incompetence. It seems to me that they deliberately delayed and the shallow detail we read in the IT article seems to show the enterprise dept replicating the Tusla incompetence in the McCabe affair.
The pathetic excuse at the end, that it takes a long time to recruit specialist staff is deeply insulting to the people it is supposed to fool.
When a senior minister can't even just get a fncking job advertised...
 

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Well, they do it well

Rather than saying: no, wait 3 years for staff ... they put incompetent civil servants onto the case, who make fluffs, drag their heels etc

cyp
That seems like one possibility, others might be power and authority being so diffuse that no-one can accomplish anything or that the top mandarins themselves are woefully incompetent.
 

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The Irish PS hate people with technical skills. If Bruton had asked for 6 poets or 6 gender equality officers the jobs would have been filled in a week.
 

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First: this is a textbook example of using of the FoI Act to expose civil service incompetence, so my congrats to Ken Foxe.

What it exposes very well is the culture of empire building in the Irish Civil service and how it can work against the public interest.

The two "empires" here are the Dept of Finance's offshoot the DPER which has control over public service numbers which it exerts with a fanatical zeal; and as Merc has said, it appears to treat the creation of any new specialist positions with great suspicion.

The second "empire" is the DJEI which in this instance appears to have asserted its control over the ODCE partly by treating its staffing requirements with contempt.

Is it unnecessarily cynical of me to assume that, in the usual manner, the individuals involved have received exceptional performance awards and/or have been promoted?
 

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First: this is a textbook example of using of the FoI Act to expose civil service incompetence, so my congrats to Ken Foxe.

What it exposes very well is the culture of empire building in the Irish Civil service and how it can work against the public interest.

The two "empires" here are the Dept of Finance's offshoot the DPER which has control over public service numbers which it exerts with a fanatical zeal; and as Merc has said, it appears to treat the creation of any new specialist positions with great suspicion.

The second "empire" is the DJEI which in this instance appears to have asserted its control over the ODCE partly by treating its staffing requirements with contempt.

Is it unnecessarily cynical of me to assume that, in the usual manner, the individuals involved have received exceptional performance awards and/or have been promoted?
Which depts do you have experience of?
 

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That seems like one possibility, others might be power and authority being so diffuse that no-one can accomplish anything or that the top mandarins themselves are woefully incompetent.
Hiring an accountant isn't a 'top mandarin' job. It's basic HR.

What we're seeing here is no different to what we saw with the Gardai, or with Tusla. Once we get a glimpse into the day to day working of any state agency, it's shown to be a dysfunctional basket case.

Work on the advertisement had been “crowded out” by a variety of issues in the personnel section of the Department of Jobs.
A commitment was then made that the jobs would be advertised early in November but, once again, crossed wires saw it delayed.
Further delay ensued because of difficulties in getting a fraud expert for the panel.
 

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Hiring an accountant isn't a 'top mandarin' job. It's basic HR.

What we're seeing here is no different to what we saw with the Gardai, or with Tusla. Once we get a glimpse into the day to day working of any state agency, it's shown to be a dysfunctional basket case.
That is not what I meant, I was saying that the top mandarins would have to direct action in hiring new recruits during a recruitment freeze, if the mandarins were incompetent (or one or another was) that could delay the process.
In-fighting would do the job too.
Either way this has delayed the white-collar crime unit from operating effectively for a few more years (if indeed it can with the new small number of accountants) and very possibly allowed yet more corruption to go unchecked and unpunished. Whatever the reason, it is unforgivable and should lead to those responsible being fired, will it? Nope.
 

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Richard Bruton was the Minister. The bucks stops with him. If this wasn't an August story he would be asked to consider his position.
 

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No it doesn't! I gently suggest that you read of Section 4 of the Public Service Management Act of 1997!




Quite a few - but that's all I'm saying!
And is this kind of logjam and bureaucratic blockage common or a sign of dysfunction in few places?
 

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" HR " is one of the most successful scams of the past half century. A smallish hospital in Cork went from having 5 people working in the Personnel Dept - as it was then known - to 23 people in the HR dept. Multiply that differential in wages/salaries and wonder no more why people end up on trollies.
 

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And is this kind of logjam and bureaucratic blockage common or a sign of dysfunction in few places?
The culture of empire building is at least as old as the State itself.

And every time that some gobsh1te Taoiseach decides on a whim to re-organise Departments and/or create new ones with fancy titles, turf wars erupt.

Hence when part of Finance was hived off into Squeaky Howlin's sandpit, you can be damned sure that some senior DoF Mandarins seized the opportunity to get rid of some under-performers.
 

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I wonder what the 'variety of issues' that 'crowded out' the hiring of the accountants was. "Personnel Issues" has been the biggest growth area in the PS and quango sector in the past 20 years. Read any of their annual reports and you'll see a fat fee for legal costs because of 'an ongoing personnel issue'. Usually means a disgruntled employee has been on long term 'administrative leave' and huge HR resources are taken up with meetings to resolve it involving swarms of senior people, lawyers, consultants etc that take up a lot of time but achieve nothing. Often it's because of terror at being dragged off to the Four Goldmines to have the Departments dirty washing aired in public. But mostly because it fits nicely into the PS preference for lots of expensive activity with nothing actually happening.
 

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No it doesn't! I gently suggest that you read of Section 4 of the Public Service Management Act of 1997!
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Cheerfully withdrawn!

"h) subject to the Civil Service Regulation Act, 1956 , the Civil Service Commissioners Act, 1956 , the Defence Acts, 1954 to 1993 (in respect of civilian employees recruited or appointed under the Defence Acts, 1954 to 1993) and any other Act affecting the appointment, performance, discipline or dismissal of civil servants or civilian employees of the Department of Defence, managing all matters pertaining to appointments, performance, discipline and dismissals of staff below the grade of Principal or its equivalent in the Department or Scheduled Office; "
 

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"Personnel Issues" has been the biggest growth area in the PS and quango sector in the past 20 years.

Read any of their annual reports and you'll see a fat fee for legal costs because of 'an ongoing personnel issue'.

Usually means a disgruntled employee has been on long term 'administrative leave' and huge HR resources are taken up with meetings to resolve it involving swarms of senior people, lawyers, consultants etc that take up a lot of time but achieve nothing.
Good call!

Like:

Civil servant paid

and then

http://www.algoodbody.com/knowledge.jsp?i=2209

and then:

Equality Tribunal does not uphold complaint of victimisation in the workplace - Terence J O.' Sullivan Solicitors

Pal of mine told me that all of this sh1te had cost the taxpayer over €250,000.
 


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