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Six thousand more added to the live register in January


Keith-M

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http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2013/lreg_jan2013.pdf

So it now looks like the December numbers were the false dawn that many thought and six thousand more are added to the live register. When you add the thousands emigrating every month, it's clear that any jobs initiative the government had, has failed miserably.
Well done, TwoSeats. Ignore the seasonally adjusted figures. You utter clown.

Meanwhile, the ACTUAL story:

Live Register figures dip in January - RTÉ News

You're a sad, pathetic loser, TwoSeats. And that's being polite.
 

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Fall of 900 actually. Strange thread.
 

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http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2013/lreg_jan2013.pdf

So it now looks like the December numbers were the false dawn that many thought and six thousand more are added to the live register. When you add the thousands emigrating every month, it's clear that any jobs initiative the government had, has failed miserably.
There was a jobs initiative? Missed that totally!

Lots of angry people here jumping up and down over a 900 drop but so what, how many people are actually in work, how many emigrated, how many got shoved onto various schemes to get them off the LR and so on? These posters are making themselves look rather dim and somewhat partisan, to put it politely.
 

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Sorry, but are you completely stupid? The Live Register FELL by 900 ..........
Have you no manners? That is hardly the most intelligent or enlightened way to conduct a debate.
 

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Is it possible to get at the truth or are we at the mercy of spin doctors of all sorts and their attendant arselickers?
 

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What I don't understand is that Burton is planning to abolish a plethora of back to work initiatives which are said to cost the taxpayer €1bn because they are failing in their objective, but yet she's increasing the number of places on CE and TUS which costs Johnny the taxpayer €470m a year, while at the same time as saying that these intiatives should only be used as a last resort. Why on earth would you continue to pump €470m in to two intiatives that only have a 46% success rate in terms of getting participants back in to f/t paid employment?

She's also increasing the numbers on Jobsbridge in addition to creating a whole new intiative whereby the unemployed will undertake placements on a social employment initiative with local authorities. She also seems to think that BTEA locks people in to a life on the dole. Now, here I was thinking that going back to college increases the employability and opportunities for the jobless - evidently not! So what's her answer more stupid courses on momentum and through FAS and how much are companies like CPL getting paid by the Dept to provide these short-term courses under momentum which are for a max of six months - three months of which are work placements? Doesn't that beg the question, which labour market initiatives are actually failing in their objective and why are we continuing to pump money in to initiatives that simply don't work?

Burton plans jobless database - National News - Independent.ie
 

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Over 10,000 fewer than last yesr, we also need the emigration and immigration figures to fully appreciate or dismiss it.
 

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Over 10,000 fewer than last yesr, we also need the emigration and immigration figures to fully appreciate or dismiss it.
This is probably the best way to look at it. So there has been a 2.3% drop in the year on year figures.

However the dole is different now with only 9 months allowed. I wonder if this has been included for an exact comparison. And as stated we need to know emigration figures as well. Immigration probably not as these are usually only for highly skilled roles now.
 

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Immigration probably not as these are usually only for highly skilled roles now.
Brazilians working in meat factories cos the permanently unemployed can't be bothered are 'highly skilled' now ?
 

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Over 10,000 fewer than last yesr, we also need the emigration and immigration figures to fully appreciate or dismiss it.
Exactly, one of my pet hates involves spin doctors like HBAP (no better then the misrepresenting by the OP) pimping headline figures without any detailed analysis. A prime example of this was the road death figures this morning, apparently we are at a new record 5 year low! With no deaths at all in Leitrim, (down 1oo%). Well done RSA!
....Then I ask myself, what else had happened over these last 5 years that might effect that figure, oh yeah, the minor matter of a recession, which has hit the dangerous back roads of Leitrim quite hard, a county that joblessness has almost denuded of that all important 18-25yr old high risk category of citizen, and ensured that those left sure as hell can't afford to put a car on the road, not to mention the massive drop in he number of journeys by those that can. We might as well give the recession an RSA award!
 

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Brazilians working in meat factories cos the permanently unemployed can't be bothered are 'highly skilled' now ?
Brazilians working in a meat factory can't get a work permit unless if there is wide spread corruption in immigration.

If these are eu citizens then fair point. But there should be no reason for these types of jobs going to immigrant work unemployment so high here.
 

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This government must fall. They have utterly failed to tackle the jobs disaster and believe jobslave and other scams fool the people.
 

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What I don't understand is that Burton is planning to abolish a plethora of back to work initiatives which are said to cost the taxpayer €1bn because they are failing in their objective, but yet she's increasing the number of places on CE and TUS which costs Johnny the taxpayer €470m a year, while at the same time as saying that these intiatives should only be used as a last resort. Why on earth would you continue to pump €470m in to two intiatives that only have a 46% success rate in terms of getting participants back in to f/t paid employment?

She's also increasing the numbers on Jobsbridge in addition to creating a whole new intiative whereby the unemployed will undertake placements on a social employment initiative with local authorities. She also seems to think that BTEA locks people in to a life on the dole. Now, here I was thinking that going back to college increases the employability and opportunities for the jobless - evidently not! So what's her answer more stupid courses on momentum and through FAS and how much are companies like CPL getting paid by the Dept to provide these short-term courses under momentum which are for a max of six months - three months of which are work placements? Doesn't that beg the question, which labour market initiatives are actually failing in their objective and why are we continuing to pump money in to initiatives that simply don't work?

Burton plans jobless database - National News - Independent.ie
What is it with that women and databases? She was mad keen on ID cards for welfare claimants not so long ago but that idea, thankfully, seems to have taken a back seat and yet 'profiling' the unemployed is just another attempt at dehumanising them and building a system by which people may be controlled. Databases are only as good as the information contained within them and should records be wrong, out of date or falsified then the whole damn enterprise is worse than useless and so a total waste of money.

What is required is a functioning economy which can encourage and support employment of all types. Messing about with fancy IT projects will not get people back to work, they are no more than glorified exercises in knicker sniffing.
 

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What is it with that women and databases? She was mad keen on ID cards for welfare claimants not so long ago but that idea, thankfully, seems to have taken a back seat
Why ?

ID card with fingerprint data would have been a great idea.
 

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January, is traditionally a terrible month, I wouldn't rush to judgement just yet, but certainly, more needs to be done regarding the development of job sustenance and creation- funding for start-up certainly needs to be free'd up and made more accessible!
 

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Why ?

ID card with fingerprint data would have been a great idea.
You fail to understand biometrics.

Biometrics rely on comparing a sample with records held on a database. Computer algorithms rely on the possibility of a sample matching a record.

Taking fingerprints as an example the scanning device selects various points on the finger and records whether there is a ridge or a valley at that point. It then looks at its database to see if there are any records that match this pattern. The obvious flaw here is that the bigger the database the more likely it is that a match, or even matches, will be found, but it may be the incorrect match and if there is more than one match all the computer is telling you is that there is a possibility of the fingerprint belonging to one of several people. The accuracy of such systems rapidly goes down hill the more people you add to the database. If you can find an independent trial which shows mass fingerprinting as being accurate enough to identify individuals to a degree that allows welfare to be paid out, or not, then please post the link here.

Then of course there is the fact that some people don't have fingerprints, especially Asian women, or that fingerprints can be destroyed with a bottle of acid (and a few aspirin), brickies may have eroded prints or what about amputees?

We can then consider the ID card itself. Who owns it, who is responsible for the information connected to it, does the state become the sole arbiter of who you actually are, just who's identity is it? The whole thing is a legal nightmare and it it gets worse the more you try and do with the card. If the state does become the owner of your identity then what does that say about your liberty as an individual?

And of course what happens when the computer says no? Remember Ulster Bank!
 

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