Skeletons unearthed on plot of land - disaster follows

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Perhaps someone can explain this to me. A couple bought a plot of land, some medieval skeletons were discovered on it and some kind of economic disaster and tremendous stress has resulted for this couple as a result. At least according to the Irish Times.

In a two-year ordeal, the young family watched helplessly as their life savings disappeared into a site that turned out to be dotted with shallow medieval graves. As building work progressed on neighbouring properties, their emotional wellbeing and finances began to deteriorate...
It all began in May 2014 when the Mitchells signed contracts for the €300,000 plot which came fully serviced and included planning permission.
Skeletons unearthed: Bones that halted a family

Now as far as I can see this couple paid €300,000 for a 1 acre site - is that correct? Have I got that right or is there something I'm missing here?

Becuase if that's right these people are utterly crazy and this is a tale of modern Irish slavery which the couple appear delighted to get into because they have some kind of snobby status thing going on. At least that's how it reads but I understand I may be misreading this.

The story also appears to be an example of utter gombeen philistinism with every reference to the medieval graves (allegedly medieval, you never know what's actually the truth in this country) wapped around with chat about the price and the stress and blah de fkn blah...

It's like being trapped in a living room listening to the travails of people you'd never want to spend a moment listening to...

The findings were hugely problematic to the Mitchells: a full excavation and clearance of the site would cost at least €150,000 they say (no final quote was obtained) and even then there were ethical considerations around exhuming bodies.

Dr Stout told them the build would have to be stopped and so they found a piece of old tarpaulin and pulled it over the exposed graves.
Is there no end to the snobby Irish slave mentality? It's just a piece of land, how can it turn into this enormous travail? Have I understood correctly that this is an example of utterly foolish Irish slave-minded snobbish puffery or am I missing something?
 


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It's like being trapped in a living room listening to the travails of people you'd never want to spend a moment listening to...
In which Civic accidentally describes the OP s/he just wasted 40 minutes writing.
 

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Perhaps someone can explain this to me. A couple bought a plot of land, some medieval skeletons were discovered on it and some kind of economic disaster and tremendous stress has resulted for this couple as a result. At least according to the Irish Times.



Skeletons unearthed: Bones that halted a family

Now as far as I can see this couple paid €300,000 for a 1 acre site - is that correct? Have I got that right or is there something I'm missing here?

Becuase if that's right these people are utterly crazy and this is a tale of modern Irish slavery which the couple appear delighted to get into because they have some kind of snobby status thing going on. At least that's how it reads but I understand I may be misreading this.

The story also appears to be an example of utter gombeen philistinism with every reference to the medieval graves (allegedly medieval, you never know what's actually the truth in this country) wapped around with chat about the price and the stress and blah de fkn blah...

It's like being trapped in a living room listening to the travails of people you'd never want to spend a moment listening to...



Is there no end to the snobby Irish slave mentality? It's just a piece of land, how can it turn into this enormous travail? Have I understood correctly that this is an example of utterly foolish Irish slave-minded snobbish puffery or am I missing something?
Random thought that comes to mind is also how this reflects , perhaps, the difference in land and agrarian history across the island.
IN the south and west , despite the fact that land was similarly all at one point part of larger landlord/ desmense holdings, the paucity of land and/or the retention of culture & cultural memory among the tenant population means that IMO there would be far far lower probability of such an occurrence - the majority of castle, keep, cillin (relevant in this case), enclosure and other such artifact is still extant on the land and/or ordnance survey maps......maybe I'm stretching but perhaps this indicates it was not the case in the more gentrified east?

Ona completely different note - from this remove I am convinced kildare and other such sleeper areas ( meath?, wicklow?) and peripheral parts of greater dublin are on their way to being my imaging of suburban hell on earth!
 

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singer Rihanna wanted to record a video in the north but a man refused to let them work on his property

it would require a minor excavation etc

i guess being a northerner he doesn't want anyone digging
 

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singer Rihanna wanted to record a video in the north but a man refused to let them work on his property

it would require a minor excavation etc

i guess being a northerner he doesn't want anyone digging
Oh well done. It took 3 posts to get this back on topic.
 

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I don't see how the developer's/seller's of the site can say that they have no responsibility or liability for selling a graveyard to them in the first place. Surely they would have a case against Swindon who are simply saying that it's not there problem ?
 

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Perhaps someone can explain this to me. A couple bought a plot of land, some medieval skeletons were discovered on it and some kind of economic disaster and tremendous stress has resulted for this couple as a result. At least according to the Irish Times.



Skeletons unearthed: Bones that halted a family

Now as far as I can see this couple paid €300,000 for a 1 acre site - is that correct? Have I got that right or is there something I'm missing here?

Becuase if that's right these people are utterly crazy and this is a tale of modern Irish slavery which the couple appear delighted to get into because they have some kind of snobby status thing going on. At least that's how it reads but I understand I may be misreading this.

The story also appears to be an example of utter gombeen philistinism with every reference to the medieval graves (allegedly medieval, you never know what's actually the truth in this country) wapped around with chat about the price and the stress and blah de fkn blah...

It's like being trapped in a living room listening to the travails of people you'd never want to spend a moment listening to...



Is there no end to the snobby Irish slave mentality? It's just a piece of land, how can it turn into this enormous travail? Have I understood correctly that this is an example of utterly foolish Irish slave-minded snobbish puffery or am I missing something?
caveat emptor
 

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Finding skeletons, or even bone fragments on land, can, and will lead, to delays in any construction. I was told a story about 30 years ago of a contractor who had been brought in to do some work in the environs of Dublin Castle. His machinery unearthed some remains of indeterminate age and the protocol is to cease excavation and await a specialist investigation. Realising this meant a cessation of work for a duration he just carried on. Bearing in mind the location these remains could have had real historical importance but the contractor wasn't interested.
 

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Bearing in mind the location these remains could have had real historical importance but the contractor wasn't interested.
If the state isn't willing to compensate people in situations like that, then obviously you create the incentive to not report it. Essentially, the state expects the owner of the land to take the financial hit for the good of society.
 

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singer Rihanna wanted to record a video in the north but a man refused to let them work on his property

it would require a minor excavation etc

i guess being a northerner he doesn't want anyone digging
ROTFL you ignorant clown.:oops::oops::oops::D:D:D

The 'man' in question was a protestant bible bashing DUP farmer boy who didn't want any type of 'fornication' on his lands to be seen in public.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiCx5u8mczUAhWCBsAKHe7bBEMQFggqMAA&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8792072/Rihanna-get-off-my-land-and-find-God-farmer-tells-singer.html&usg=AFQjCNE3koOtQvNOtxh_qwbxqEAbB7nU8g&sig2=CRUG-r2_dcccRlCCxYuUTw

These bible bashing DUPpers like to keep their perverted acts well hidden from public view.
Normally in places like Kincora etc.
 

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The 'man' in question was a protestant bible bashing DUP farmer boy ...
... and fellow Irishman.

Your foul tribalism and sheer lack of charity is neatly displayed on your post.

I'm sure you recognise that a land owner can veto the use of his land for purposes of which he or she does not approve, don't you?

And mebbe that their decisions on such matters are really none of your business if you think about it for more than a millisecond.
 

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... and fellow Irishman.

Your foul tribalism and sheer lack of charity is neatly displayed on your post.
Ok, was he not a 'bible basher' by claiming his God wouldn't be happy with him and that "Everybody needs to be acquainted with God and to consider his son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and his death and Resurrection"?
Was he not a farmer?
Was he not a member of the DUP?
 

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More shocked at the price of the site. Are these people mad? Just purchase a fully serviced site of 6 acres in a private estate which has far more things happening close to a large city for $30K with fantastic views.... a fool and their money I suppose.
 

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caveat emptor
In some common law jurisdictions there are limitations to the principle of "caveat emptor".

For example in Australia:
"Vendors or owners should also be aware that while the principle of caveat emptor (or buyer beware) applies, there are statutory requirements for the disclosure of certain information about the contamination of a site to prospective purchasers. In addition, in certain circumstances, silence and failure to disclose information about contamination to prospective purchasers or lessees has been held to constitute misleading and deceptive conduct. Therefore, care should be taken when making representations to potential purchasers/developers/lessees about the contamination status of a site."
Contaminated land: key issues and updates » Lander & Rogers

If the site was sold as being "suitable for development" and it turned out not to be so, it might not necessarily be so easy to wriggle off the hook with "caveat emptor".
 

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"... and fellow Irishman."

I suspect that the Prod in question would be insulted by being described as a "fellow Irishman."

"Your foul tribalism and sheer lack of charity is neatly displayed on your post."

What could be wrong with tribalism?

"I'm sure you recognise that a land owner can veto the use of his land for purposes of which he or she does not approve, don't you?"

Do YOU respect that right? Have you, at any time, questioned the right of the Catholic Church to veto the use of its property for purposes not compatible with Catholicism? I merely ask.

"And maybe that their decisions on such matters are really none of your business if you think about it for more than a millisecond."

A good point. Have you been commenting on the decisions of the Catholic Church about its own affairs?
 
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Ok, was he not a 'bible basher' by claiming his God wouldn't be happy with him and that "Everybody needs to be acquainted with God and to consider his son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and his death and Resurrection"?
Was he not a farmer?
Was he not a member of the DUP?
Yes to all of those things. He was also a man, and not a 'man'.

And let's not forget your rather disgusting, off-topic and weasel-worded reference to Kincora either.

As I say, your foul tribalism and sheer lack of charity is neatly displayed on your post.
 

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Finding skeletons, or even bone fragments on land, can, and will lead, to delays in any construction. I was told a story about 30 years ago of a contractor who had been brought in to do some work in the environs of Dublin Castle. His machinery unearthed some remains of indeterminate age and the protocol is to cease excavation and await a specialist investigation. Realising this meant a cessation of work for a duration he just carried on. Bearing in mind the location these remains could have had real historical importance but the contractor wasn't interested.
I've heard of a few examples of this in inner city renovations/building. On each occasion the discovery and referral to archaeologists, etc., would have led to layoffs onsite while examination and recovery took place. So, they'd simply cover over the find and work away.
 


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