Sky's interest in the GAA good or bad?

toconn

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Good to an extent for people who live in Britain. Without it on sky they would rarely get to see GAA at all as RTE is not shown other than by special payments I think, usually in Irish Clubs .
 


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Don't care whether its shown on Sky or the moon really but the GAA is an amateur organisation, supposedly, ha ha. However, where does all this extra money go and what are they doing with it? Developing stadiums? Community facilities?

Not a dig, anyone got any idea?
 

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Attendances this year

Connacht Football Championship:

New York V Sligo 5000
Mayo V Sligo 14661
London V Leitrim ?
Galway V Mayo 22046
Roscommon V Leitrim 8844
Galway V Roscommon 18287

Total: >68838

Leinster Football Championship

Louth V Wicklow 4000
Laois V Longford 3500
Carlow V Wexford 3044
Dublin V Carlow 13238
Meath V louth ?
Kildare V Laois 7477
Offaly V Westmeath 8723
Westmeath V Offaly 4714
Meath V Kildare 12702
Dublin V Westmeath 33370
Dublin V Kildare 66734

Total: 157502

Ulster Football Championship:

Monaghan V Fermanagh 7473
Donegal V Antrim 10083
Derry V Tyrone 10017
Down V Armagh 16168
Cavan V Monaghan 12993
Tyrone V Donegal 22609
Down V Monaghan 13396
Tyrone V Down 31912

Total: 124651

Munster Football Championship

Waterford V Cork ?
Clare V Limerick 2968
Cork V Tipperary 4570
Clare V Kerry 5786
Cork V Kerry 31836

Total: > 45160

Football Championship so far : 396151

There will probably be another >220000 added to that once its all done (barring replays)
So Approx 620000 people will have attended the 2017 football championship.
Looks healthy enough to me.

2017 Hurling Championship: >449543 (this does not include attendances at the 6 preliminary round matches in the leinster championship or the Laois v Wexford game or the Laois V Carlow game). There will be 80000 added to this after the final so the total will come to approx 530,000.


Total Championship: 1,150,000

That looks like a healthy attedance
 

Fir Bolg

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Don't care whether its shown on Sky or the moon really but the GAA is an amateur organisation, supposedly, ha ha. However, where does all this extra money go and what are they doing with it? Developing stadiums? Community facilities?

Not a dig, anyone got any idea?
Over 80% of GAA revenue goes back into the grassroots.
 

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Just link your previous posts, there's no need to rewrite them. (Short version: the gaa is as bad as football's commercialism, football's community volunteerism is as good as the gaa but without the smugness)
You may possibly be referring to soccer...
 

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My dream is that if the Fox takeover of Sky goes through in the UK, that Fox News will have ads in GAA stadiums, and that GAA audiences and players will watch Fox News, and thereby have the other side of the story from global liberalism.
 

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I'd say there is levelling off or drop of 5-7% in GAA crowds. Not a huge concern, as seems to part of general change across a lot of sports (top 14, EPL have seen drops recently). On plus side, good to see increase in LOI which after few years seems to be getting back to its true core base going to games. Teams like cork city really have tapped the local consciousness brilliantly)
Also there are far more GAA games on TV (in early 90's, there were less than 8 televised, now it's around 50 so that's going to have impact). Plus option of replays eliminated in 90% of games.

Hate Sky deal but can see why it necessity to ensure rte pay market rate. Rte/tv3 would be optimum. Also taking matches of newstalk was bad move as well.
 

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If the rumours are accurate, subscriptions to SKY have fallen. Whether this is due to punters using "dodgy boxes", or whether former subscribers have just ceased to renew subsciptions, is debatable.

One piece of research appears to show that due to popularity of sport content on the internet, punters might be losing their attention span to enable them to watch 90 minutes of football. Allegedly the custodians of the game of football are considering changing the format of how the game is played to try to retain fans and gain new fans.

We've seen this in sports like Cricket where the shorter format of the game, attracts more sustained support than the traditional formats.

So SKY are actively exploring new markets. GAA in Ireland.
French club football in France. SKY have moved in to Cycling in a big way.
 

shoneen

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Bad. I don't have Sky and I'm not going to bring my kids to the pub. And it was a terrible shame they took the rights off Newstalk.
 

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If the rumours are accurate, subscriptions to SKY have fallen. Whether this is due to punters using "dodgy boxes", or whether former subscribers have just ceased to renew subsciptions, is debatable.

One piece of research appears to show that due to popularity of sport content on the internet, punters might be losing their attention span to enable them to watch 90 minutes of football. Allegedly the custodians of the game of football are considering changing the format of how the game is played to try to retain fans and gain new fans.

We've seen this in sports like Cricket where the shorter format of the game, attracts more sustained support than the traditional formats.

So SKY are actively exploring new markets. GAA in Ireland.
French club football in France. SKY have moved in to Cycling in a big way.
Can't find them now, but Irish Examiner had viewing figures for GAA on sky a few days ago. Abysmal.
 

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I'm not a GAA fan per se but I think they should not have been allowed sell any exclusive rights to Sky, or anyone else for that matter. People talk of GAA position in society and use it as an excuse to shovel barrel loads of taxpayers money at them. Then they exclude truck loads of Irish people from viewing many games.

This attitude of the GAA is what turns me off them and why I'm no fan.
The GAA are a Nett contributor to central exchequer. They own Croke Park and all loans have been paid back.

There are a massive number of businesses who only survive as a result of the GAA.
 

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Really? Top three? What's the metric by which that is calculated?
Audience and participation. Think sub continent, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan. Cricket is King there, with a population approaching 1.5bn. Then Australia, and South Africa. But thing sub continent is where its at.
 

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Lots of organisations get assisted with grants, here are just a few examples. In my opinion, some are questionable.

Organisation Payment Amount Payment Date
Leinster Branch IRFU 355,300.00 10/7/2014
Munster Branch IRFU 337,098.00 10/22/2014
Athlone Regional Sports Centre 312,773.00 10/15/2015
Finn Harps Cooperative Society 271,391.00 3/3/2014
Sutton Lawn Tennis Club 238,961.00 11/30/2015
Athlone Regional Sports Centre 237,500.00 10/2/2015
Munster Branch IRFU 232,902.00 10/8/2014
Old Wesley RFC 190,000.00 6/30/2016
Terenure College RFC 190,000.00 11/26/2015
Westport United Community Soccer Club Limited 190,000.00 7/13/2016
URSULINE COLLEGE 187,905.00 10/30/2015
Dominican College 180,000.00 11/16/2015
Rowing Ireland 180,000.00 12/12/2014
Sligo Rovers Football Club 177,518.00 6/4/2014
Old Belvedere RFC 162,475.00 10/28/2016
Kerry District League 161,500.00 6/10/2015
GC Community Leisure 151,835.00 7/21/2015
Badminton Ireland 150,000.00 10/10/2014
Leinster Branch IRFU 143,448.00 11/12/2014
Finn Harps Cooperative Society 142,452.00 2/10/2016
Dublin City Council 141,897.00 10/19/2016
The Football Association of Ireland 138,340.00 2/16/2015
Leinster Branch IRFU 135,965.00 9/19/2014
Swim Ireland 132,383.00 10/30/2015
Public Service Telecom Sports Club Ltd (Sportslink) 129,877.00 2/11/2015
Castlebar Tennis Club 128,102.00 10/10/2014
Coolmine Rugby Football Club 123,710.00 7/23/2014
MAYO LEAGUE COMMUNITY STADIUM LIMITED 116,274.00 3/25/2014
St Kevins boys club 114,921.00 6/30/2016
Riverchapel Community Complex Ltd 114,000.00 4/14/2016
The Football Association of Ireland 113,118.00 7/10/2015
Mayfield United AFC 112,100.00 2/17/2016
Ashbourne Recreational Company Limited 110,589.00 1/15/2014
Cherry Orchard Football Club 110,500.00 8/4/2016
Irish Sailing Association 109,882.00 12/10/2014
The Football Association of Ireland 108,542.00 3/5/2015
River Valley and Rathingle Combined Clubs Association 105,557.00 7/25/2014
Coolcotts Gym Centre Ltd (Wexford Gymnastics) 104,500.00 9/9/2015
Mullingar RFC 104,500.00 3/25/2015
 

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Don't care whether its shown on Sky or the moon really but the GAA is an amateur organisation, supposedly, ha ha. However, where does all this extra money go and what are they doing with it? Developing stadiums? Community facilities?

Not a dig, anyone got any idea?
The GAA publish their accounts every year, have a look at them. Oh, and have at the less than detailed details from other Tax Payer funded organisations with lots and lots of well paid officials.
 

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Do people see this as an overdue friendly inclusion of Ireland and Irish sports into the UK mainstream or a patronising opportunistic attempt to fill in Sky's traditional quiet season by poking fun at Irish sporing culture?

Firstly it's european mainstream and maybe world-wide.

Problem for de Gah is that so many other sports are being subbed, from F1 to golf to footie, they'll probably be advised to take what they're offered.

GAA.ie - GAA Match Video and Highlights, Fixtures and Results, Latest News


Not the sort of website that shows the accounts and board members... this is part of being in the irish race.... how do we tie this in with SKY which is so international?

The games to them aremore than games - they have a national significance - and thepromotion of native pastimes becomes a part of the full nationalideal, which envisages the speaking of our own language,music and dances. .... The overall result is the expression of apeople’s preference for native ways as opposed to imported ones. Since she has not control over all the national territory,Ireland’s claim to nationhood is impaired. It would be stillmore impaired if she were to lose her language, if she failed toprovide a decent livelihood for her people at home, or if shewere to forsake her own games and customs in favour of thegames and customs of another nation. If pride in the attributesof nationhood dies, something good and distinctive in ourrace dies with it.

page 5 - http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/TheGAA/RulesandRegulations/13/79/78/GAAOfficialGuide2017_Part1_Neutral.pdf
 

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Firstly it's european mainstream and maybe world-wide.

Problem for de Gah is that so many other sports are being subbed, from F1 to golf to footie, they'll probably be advised to take what they're offered.

GAA.ie - GAA Match Video and Highlights, Fixtures and Results, Latest News


Not the sort of website that shows the accounts and board members... this is part of being in the irish race.... how do we tie this in with SKY which is so international?
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Accounts are right there on the same website as are links to all boards. Most board positions in the GAA , with exception of full time secretaries at county level and duffy & 1 or 2 others in Croke park, are by election - in the case of national level committees this is multi layered ( election by club as delegate, nomination & election by county to province, nomination by province to national etc.)

http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/56/51/GAAAnnualreportandaccounts2016_English.pdf

As I stated earlier I dont like the idea of games on sky , nor did i like the presentation when I saw it first 0 and have nt watched it seince aside from actual 70 minutes of action ( I admit that aspect IS tribalist - as pointed out by a poster earlier) but I am sympathetic to the motives - croke park are trying to balance income, and all the good uses that goes to, with ethos.....Personally i feel a bigger battle is needed to push back against the growth of the inter county monster in order to free up the fiscal latitude to leave more money on the table.
However organizations like the IRFU ,for example, are not going too "fight" with one hand behind their backs and are less conflicted by their motivations ( having ,as far as I can see, decided 15's rugby will be an elite level game with a small , disconnected participatory undercurrent) so the GAA does need to have the resources available to sustain and grow itself. And I dont know how low RTE would have gone if sky werent at the table......thats the real driver of the decision btw.....its not even about the direct sky money...

As I mentioned earlier also, many on both sides of this debate are themselves guilty of viewing the GAA entirely through the lense of inter county activity and , at that, inter county activity on TV........

Sky is a symptom of a wider tension ....however it is a complex one as proponents of it include both those with best strategic interests at heart ( money for underage coaches, fields, equipment etc.) and vanguard of the worst ( proliferation of media outlets dependant on GAA to fill air/web/ print . porliferation of former players with a sideline in comment, proliferation of managers/ coaches/ physios/ psychotherapists/ psychologists/ philatelists/ astromeners/ kit men/ ball men/ bag men/ mister men who bounce from club & county to cub & county, prolfieration of inter county players with entirely inappropriate balance & dependance on their status - there was a time when this amounted to a guys choosing a job in sales or "vocation" for teaching as a means to balancing income needs with hurling / playing ball , but now it includes life long students bouncing from provincial IT to provincial IT, corner forwards from lomgford sidelining as social media influencers, "i'd lick myself if I could" dublin footballers hawking $hitty sandwich shops and a long line of artistic or angst ridden "characters" - in a patently ,transparently ersatz, ankle deep, low brow, hipster-7-years-after-peak-hipster, "have you seen my latest line of sandals in Aldi?" way.)

Ultimately the association could show some top down leadership by leaving this type of arrangement behind and prioritizing breadth of coverage over $'s.
However that would only be of short & ling term value if accompanied by more aggressive, self confident actions & communication of ethos, strategy & beliefs to both those within and external to the association so that its clear that the associations best interests do not extend to having a want or need to ape other sports.

And therein lies the rub as the above listed internal vested interests are aligned front & square against what would be presented as "dinosaur backwoodmen" trying to push back against modernity & reality. ( and there is an element of truth to this.....Cork are the biggest oponents of the super 8's....they are also frequently cited as a county run badly by old fashioned men ....however they have the largest club competitions in the association, have two county senior teams who are routinely in championship until august and yet play off their competitions at club level, from junior to senior, in both codes without fuss or hassle every single year........on this issue they see the big picture and the idiocy of "club months" etc........if dublin and others cant run their club competitions because they are so focused on their county teams the $ tap should be turned off....not the whole structure torn up......yet ask most folk which county is better run and they will say Dublin- which, with its sneior club games played on thursday nights in octorber and proliferation of super clubs is entirely the wrong answer - but poeple dont see this , they only see Donal Og crying about not having the right facilities when every tiny parish from youghal east to beara & charleville south to Kinsale has a club & a field and reasonable, in GAA terms, fixture certainty......)

Meanwhile like any organization power & money or voices are not necessarily the exclusive property of the intelligent or strategic - and lots of people cant see beyond a guy having scored a few points last sunday or a manager having a good track record when they are weighing up right from wrong......
 
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JimmyFoley

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Attendances this year

Connacht Football Championship:

New York V Sligo 5000
Mayo V Sligo 14661
London V Leitrim ?
Galway V Mayo 22046
Roscommon V Leitrim 8844
Galway V Roscommon 18287

Total: >68838

Leinster Football Championship

Louth V Wicklow 4000
Laois V Longford 3500
Carlow V Wexford 3044
Dublin V Carlow 13238
Meath V louth ?
Kildare V Laois 7477
Offaly V Westmeath 8723
Westmeath V Offaly 4714
Meath V Kildare 12702
Dublin V Westmeath 33370
Dublin V Kildare 66734

Total: 157502

Ulster Football Championship:

Monaghan V Fermanagh 7473
Donegal V Antrim 10083
Derry V Tyrone 10017
Down V Armagh 16168
Cavan V Monaghan 12993
Tyrone V Donegal 22609
Down V Monaghan 13396
Tyrone V Down 31912

Total: 124651

Munster Football Championship

Waterford V Cork ?
Clare V Limerick 2968
Cork V Tipperary 4570
Clare V Kerry 5786
Cork V Kerry 31836

Total: > 45160

Football Championship so far : 396151

There will probably be another >220000 added to that once its all done (barring replays)
So Approx 620000 people will have attended the 2017 football championship.
Looks healthy enough to me.

2017 Hurling Championship: >449543 (this does not include attendances at the 6 preliminary round matches in the leinster championship or the Laois v Wexford game or the Laois V Carlow game). There will be 80000 added to this after the final so the total will come to approx 530,000.


Total Championship: 1,150,000

That looks like a healthy attedance
That's some mighty fine arithmetic.

Have you ever heard of 'double counting'?
 

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The GAA are a Nett contributor to central exchequer. They own Croke Park and all loans have been paid back.

There are a massive number of businesses who only survive as a result of the GAA.
How is the GAA a net contributor? Vat on pints?
 


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