Sligo County Council - Basket Case

Dunlin3

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An interesting article in the Irish Times today about the troubled finances of Sligo county Council where one of the councilors describes the state of the council finances as a basket case.

Whats stood out for me though was the comment from the county manager Hubert Kearns on his own pay.

Asked to comment on reports that his own pay, at €136,000, was €30,000 more than that of the Spanish prime minister, Mr Kearns said his salary was fixed by Government. “I am surprised that the Spanish prime minister earns so little,” he said, adding his pay had been cut in 2008.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0810/1224321894175.html

It amazes me that Mr Kearns and his ilk still think that they are worth so much in a bankrupt state.
 


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How could anyone say the Spanish PM is paid ''so little''?
We deserve everything we get and worse.
We are Israeli -like in our shortsightedness ,self centredness and self gratification.
What the Israelis are to foreign policy, we ,the PS are to their pay.
Its unsustainable and severely self damaging long term ,but we don't want to change it.
 

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Given that the council is effectively bankrupt perhaps the county could be broken up and parts of the county given to the surrounding county councils to run, West Sligo to Mayo, North Sligo to Donegal and south Sligo to Leitrim leaving Sligo Borough Council to run the town. Perhaps economies of scale could be used to make the surving counties more efficient?
As it is, part of the natural hinterland of Bundoran is North Sligo and of Ballina it is the Enniscrone area while Dromahair, Manorhamilton or Drumshambo would benefit from increasing their cathcment areas significantly.
In France recently the Sarkozy government was considereing abolishing the region of Picardy and reassigning appartments to surroiunding regions. Question is would we miss Sligo?
 
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Kearns is paying a "consultant" almost €1,000 per month to monitor the Borough Council in case any of the staff are bullied! It is really part of a feud between him and Councillor Declan Bree.
the man has mismanaged the Council's finances and works eg failed to build a new sewage system in North Sligo despite promising it for years.
 

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FFS! No county manager should earn anywhere near €136,000!! Kearns is truly a muppet if he thinks he 'deserves' what he currently receives.
 

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We need to move away from the county model as a method of local government as soon as possible. Ireland needs about 5 to 7 regional/city councils. Far too many of these types of county managers (30 odd) being paid very highly when we need about a quarter of them.
 

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A few years ago an official of Sligo County Council was setting out his view of how a county council could bring in revenue to a national forum for councillors held in Sligo town. Most councillors were gobsmacked when he suggested that anyone who wanted to pay charges over the counter in a council office should be charged more than those who do so online. It was argued that this would incentivise people to use the online facility to pay for council services.
One councillor was heard to comment afterwards that there must be extraordinary high speed broadband access in the county and everyone of all ages must have access to the web and be IT literate. The official was asked how did he manage that?
 

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We need to move away from the county model as a method of local government as soon as possible. Ireland needs about 5 to 7 regional/city councils. Far too many of these types of county managers (30 odd) being paid very highly when we need about a quarter of them.
Sligo, Roscommon and Leitrim county councils really should be merged at the very least (ditto Meath/Louth and Carlow/Kilkenny, Longford/Westmeath, Cavan/Monaghan, Clare/Limerick etc).
 

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How could anyone say the Spanish PM is paid ''so little''?
We deserve everything we get and worse.
We are Israeli -like in our shortsightedness ,self centredness and self gratification.
What the Israelis are to foreign policy, we ,the PS are to their pay.
Its unsustainable and severely self damaging long term ,but we don't want to change it.
Do you not think you are being overly harsh on the Israelis
 

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Do their accounts include any provision for costs in the Lissadell Right of Way case- while they substantially won in the first round, isn't there an appeal pending?
 

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ergo2

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A few years ago an official of Sligo County Council was setting out his view of how a county council could bring in revenue to a national forum for councillors held in Sligo town. Most councillors were gobsmacked when he suggested that anyone who wanted to pay charges over the counter in a council office should be charged more than those who do so online. It was argued that this would incentivise people to use the online facility to pay for council services.
One councillor was heard to comment afterwards that there must be extraordinary high speed broadband access in the county and everyone of all ages must have access to the web and be IT literate. The official was asked how did he manage that?
That official may have been slightly before his time, but it is good policy to encourage online payments of accounts as opposed to paying cash at offices.
 

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Kearns is paying a "consultant" almost €1,000 per month to monitor the Borough Council in case any of the staff are bullied! It is really part of a feud between him and Councillor Declan Bree.
the man has mismanaged the Council's finances and works eg failed to build a new sewage system in North Sligo despite promising it for years.
If a councillor is bullying staff, (s)he should be boycotted by staff i.e no phone calls accepted or personal visits to offices. All enquiries by letter.

Councillors have no statutory right to visit council offices to discuss ongoing cases.
 

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Sligo is a mess, it's where I'm originally from and I visit the family there a few times a year. It is run by a bunch of amateurs who have destroyed the town both physically by running a dual carraigeway through the centre, knocking lots of lovely old artisan houses and building car parks over them and commercially by being hand in glove with the chamber of commerce who all bandied together to prevent bigger and better shops coming to the town as the traditional guys were too stingy and lazy to move with the times and modernise. Service is dreadful if you visit the town hall or county offices for anything, nobody has a clue what they're doing and nobody seems to care.

Trees and greenery are very hard to come by. Sligo still has the most dangerous stretch of road in Ireland on the N4 and nobody seems to have the ability to lobby for the money to sort it out. Everybody moans that Sligo is forgotton about and as another poster said - would anybody miss it if it were gone - because the powers that be are so dreadful at promoting Sligo, they're too busy sitting on their arses and doing nothing. Sligo is actually a very beautiful county, it has some scenery to rival Kerry or Mayo but has anybody heard about that? No they haven't.
 

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We need to move away from the county model as a method of local government as soon as possible. Ireland needs about 5 to 7 regional/city councils. Far too many of these types of county managers (30 odd) being paid very highly when we need about a quarter of them.


and remember you have all these so called 'directors of services' on 100k+ reporting to County managers. All these overpaid jobs were created during the 'Celtic tiger' period. They wanted to make the Concils function like Multi-nationals, which they have done. The only difference is you cannot sack any of these political appointees.
 

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Everybody moans that Sligo is forgotton about and as another poster said - would anybody miss it if it were gone - because the powers that be are so dreadful at promoting Sligo, they're too busy sitting on their arses and doing nothing. Sligo is actually a very beautiful county, it has some scenery to rival Kerry or Mayo but has anybody heard about that? No they haven't.

This lovely girl did her best to promote Sligo a few years ago, but, sadly, she seems to have vanished nowadays. Such a shame! Come back Aine, we love you!
 
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and remember you have all these so called 'directors of services' on 100k+ reporting to County managers. All these overpaid jobs were created during the 'Celtic tiger' period. They wanted to make the Concils function like Multi-nationals, which they have done. The only difference is you cannot sack any of these political appointees.
afaik senior council officials are appointed by Local Appointments Commission and not by politicians.
 

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de·lu·sion/diˈlo͞oZHən/
Noun:
An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality,...
The action of deluding someone or the state of being deluded: "what a capacity television has for delusion".
 

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Sligo is a mess, it's where I'm originally from and I visit the family there a few times a year. It is run by a bunch of amateurs who have destroyed the town both physically by running a dual carraigeway through the centre, knocking lots of lovely old artisan houses and building car parks over them and commercially by being hand in glove with the chamber of commerce who all bandied together to prevent bigger and better shops coming to the town as the traditional guys were too stingy and lazy to move with the times and modernise. Service is dreadful if you visit the town hall or county offices for anything, nobody has a clue what they're doing and nobody seems to care.

Trees and greenery are very hard to come by. Sligo still has the most dangerous stretch of road in Ireland on the N4 and nobody seems to have the ability to lobby for the money to sort it out. Everybody moans that Sligo is forgotton about and as another poster said - would anybody miss it if it were gone - because the powers that be are so dreadful at promoting Sligo, they're too busy sitting on their arses and doing nothing. Sligo is actually a very beautiful county, it has some scenery to rival Kerry or Mayo but has anybody heard about that? No they haven't.
I agree, Sligo is in a bit iof a mess. I have to agree with you on the lack of greenery. Large trees are grown IN BOXES!! What in heavens name is that all about? The main street was closed to traffic for a couple of years and then opened again. No one could agree on whether it should be a closed street or not and the councillors are constantly fighting about it. The retailers wanted the street closed as well but now that it's open to traffic they can see the financial benefit and want it to remain open.

In actual fact the main street (O'Connell Street) was really scary after 6pm but did the Councillor's care - not at all. They didn't even bother to ask the opinions of the local residents.
 

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If SDCC can manage a population of 250K, why does Sligo (65K and some bogs, lakes and mountains) need it's own council.

Merge with leitrim & roscommon for starters.
 
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