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Slovenia facing Greek scenario


Partizan

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Two decades after gaining independence from Yugoslavia, an act that the Slovene economy has never recovered from, the country is facing an economic implosion. PM Janez Jansa (a political dissident in the late 1980s) has called on protesters in Maribor and Ljubljana to call a halt to the protests planned for 2 December which coincides with the Presidential Election run-off. More than 8,000 are expected to hit the streets of Ljubljana alone this weekend. Violence has already been reported on the streets. Slovenia has seen unemployment rocket in particularly amongst its youth. Its banks are heavily in debt. The older generation remember the Tito era with fondness. Independence from Belgrade in late 1991 was greeted near universally from many Slovenes and the political class promised new found freedom and prosperity. Twenty years on and many Slovenes are wondering if they were better off in Yugoslavia.

B92 - News - Slovenia could face Greek scenario, warns PM

Many in Slovenia yearn for old Yugoslavia

Slovenia scrambles to avoid economic crash | World news | The Guardian

Crisis in Slovenia: Now it's Slovenia's turn | The Economist

Banking crisis intensifies in Slovenia

Slovenia
 


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ah yes communism was great, how can any sane person yearn for a return to communism.
 

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ah yes communism was great, how can any sane person yearn for a return to communism.
Yugoslavia was different though. Yugoslavia did not ally itself to Russia. Tito managed to unite all the different ethnic groups under one nation. That's why the civil wars were so horrific as neighbour turned against neighbour when once they lived side-by-side and inter-married. It had a relatively strong economy and its people weren't subjected to the same restrictions as in other communist states.

I though Slovenia was doing very well and had no idea that it's economy was in trouble.

What else don't we know and who's next?
 

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Yugoslavia was different though. Yugoslavia did not ally itself to Russia. Tito managed to unite all the different ethnic groups under one nation. That's why the civil wars were so horrific as neighbour turned against neighbour when once they lived side-by-side and inter-married. It had a relatively strong economy and its people weren't subjected to the same restrictions as in other communist states.

I though Slovenia was doing very well and had no idea that it's economy was in trouble.

The text is fantasy

What else don't we know and who's next?
The bolded text is fantasy
Tito ruled through terror - you need to read Misha Gleny before you talk such rubbish.
 

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The bolded text is fantasy
Tito ruled through terror - you need to read Misha Gleny before you talk such rubbish.
I have and didn't think much of him.

Tito was no more of a dictator or ruled through terror that say Bishop McQuaid did here in Ireland. Tito was hugely popular in Yugoslavia during his lifetime. People did live side by side and did intermarry and many from the Balkans regret the breakup of Yugoslavia.
 

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The bolded text is fantasy
Tito ruled through terror - you need to read Misha Gleny before you talk such rubbish.
Have you ever spoken to any ex Yugoslavs who lived during Tito's rule? They would beg to differ.
 

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Another mess made in Brussels.

Surely the fact that they are only allowed grow straight carrots, and the fact that the ECB pushes Ponzi scheme economics, would have made everybody happy ?
 

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Thats news about Slovenia to me. The last thing I heard was they stole the money from ex Yugoslavian banks before they seceded and that they had obtained a standard of living comparable with or higher than the UK just a few years ago.
 

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All but one of those links is at least 4 months old. One is over 5 years old.
 

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Thats news about Slovenia to me. The last thing I heard was they stole the money from ex Yugoslavian banks before they seceded and that they had obtained a standard of living comparable with or higher than the UK just a few years ago.
That was the main reason they seceeded. Serbia wanted a more centralised Yugoslavia and reign in the respective republics, reorganise the Federal budget and redistribute it more equally to the poor regions like Kosovo, Bosnia and Montenegro. The Slovenes did a runner with the cash, gave Belgrade the two fingers and the rest as they say was history.
 
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All but one of those links is at least 4 months old. One is over 5 years old.
These two news items are from today. Things kicking off in Ljubljana. Protesters attempted to storm parliament. The country is on the verge of a bailout.

Slovenian Protesters Clash With Police Ahead Of Vote

BBC News - Slovenia protesters clash with police over budget cuts

Protesters have clashed with riot police in Slovenia's capital Ljubljana during a rally against budget cuts and alleged corruption.

Some demonstrators threw stones and bottles, and tried to push through a police cordon outside the parliament.
The police responded by firing tear gas. A number of protesters were held.
Slovenia is facing one of the worst recessions among the 17 countries in the eurozone - the country's economy has shrunk more than 8% since 2009.
Presidential run-off On Friday, at least 5,000 anti-government protesters in Ljubljana rallied outside the parliament building. Many chanted "You are finished!" and "Thieves!"
[video=youtube;Xqposzljjgo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqposzljjgo[/video]
 
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Two decades after gaining independence from Yugoslavia, an act that the Slovene economy has never recovered from, the country is facing an economic implosion. PM Janez Jansa (a political dissident in the late 1980s) has called on protesters in Maribor and Ljubljana to call a halt to the protests planned for 2 December which coincides with the Presidential Election run-off. More than 8,000 are expected to hit the streets of Ljubljana alone this weekend. Violence has already been reported on the streets. Slovenia has seen unemployment rocket in particularly amongst its youth. Its banks are heavily in debt. The older generation remember the Tito era with fondness. Independence from Belgrade in late 1991 was greeted near universally from many Slovenes and the political class promised new found freedom and prosperity. Twenty years on and many Slovenes are wondering if they were better off in Yugoslavia.

B92 - News - Slovenia could face Greek scenario, warns PM

Many in Slovenia yearn for old Yugoslavia

Slovenia scrambles to avoid economic crash | World news | The Guardian

Crisis in Slovenia: Now it's Slovenia's turn | The Economist

Banking crisis intensifies in Slovenia

Slovenia
Oh yeah, communism would make things so much better. North Korea is a prime example. Little or no electricity outside the capital, around 11 times worse off than their neighbours in the south, scare supply of food etc.
 

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That was the main reason they seceeded. Serbia wanted a more centralised Yugoslavia and reign in the respective republics, reorganise the Federal budget and redistribute it more equally to the poor regions like Kosovo, Bosnia and Montenegro. The Slovenes did a runner with the cash, gave Belgrade the two fingers and the rest as they say was history.
Well by it's position up on the borders with Austria, Italy and Hungary it would be no surprise that they were much more developed than the part down close to Albania or Bulgaria... more of the cities and factories and such... but did they do a runner with the cash too? As far as I can recall, Slovenia broke away without any major fighting....
I know that some of the people down there really have a history of war and hatred... such as between the Croats and Serbs and Muslims. But Tito managed to keep a lid on this during his iron rule. I heard a half a rumour that the Germans under Helmut Kohl gave the Croats backing to go for independence to the dismay of Thatcher and Regan...I think the Kremlin was displeased too as they traditionally support the Serbs.
The first world war was triggered here... and seventy eighties years later the same mayhem. I think it might be easier peacefully to unite Europe (well some of it) than to unite the Balkans .
 

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Oh yeah, communism would make things so much better. North Korea is a prime example. Little or no electricity outside the capital, around 11 times worse off than their neighbours in the south, scare supply of food etc.
Shut up you ignorant fool. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your idea of socialism was shaped by the priest/Christian Brother who bended you over and rogered the arse off you.

here is what Yugoslavia was really like.

[video=youtube;0RRnCnO1Y2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0RRnCnO1Y2c&feature=endscreen[/video]
 

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I have and didn't think much of him.

Tito was no more of a dictator or ruled through terror that say Bishop McQuaid did here in Ireland. Tito was hugely popular in Yugoslavia during his lifetime. People did live side by side and did intermarry and many from the Balkans regret the breakup of Yugoslavia.
Tito was as brutal and as ambitious as Stalin ever was. Yugoslavia did ally itself with Russia post-WW2 until Stalin become concerned over the rising, and rival, personality cult of Tito within the communist party.

But in an attempt to keep the thread on track, I had no idea Slovenia was in such trouble too. I still don't understand what people think ripping apart their cities will achieve.
 

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Shut up you ignorant fool. You have no idea what you are talking about. Your idea of socialism was shaped by the priest/Christian Brother who bended you over and rogered the arse off you.
I pis*ed myself laughing when I read this ridiculous post. For one thing, I did not go to a Christian Brothers school(A cousin of mine does - nothing bad ever happened to him). Second of all, corporal punishment has being banned for decades now. Third, I never suffered anything of the sort from a Priest. And Fourth, morality and social justice issues aside, the Church, at least as I know it, does not concern itself with political ideologies, but with the spiritual aspects of life. You are the ignorant fool here.
 

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I pis*ed myself laughing when I read this ridiculous post. For one thing, I did not go to a Christian Brothers school(A cousin of mine does - nothing bad ever happened to him). Second of all, corporal punishment has being banned for decades now. Third, I never suffered anything of the sort from a Priest. And Fourth, morality and social justice issues aside, the Church, at least as I know it, does not concern itself with political ideologies, but with the spiritual aspects of life. You are the ignorant fool here.
You are equating communism/socialism with NK when it is neither. It is you who is the ignorant fool here.
 

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Bad news though. One more hungry mouth to feed from the EU stirabout trough. And the Greeks took three helpings... will there be any more left for us?
 

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