Snobbery and complacency towards environmentally benign services centre projects could seriously damage businesses

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Snobbery and complacency towards environmentally benign services centre projects could seriously damage businesses

The Irish planning system seems to treat many environmentally benign services centre projects as if they were toxic chemicals plants. A proposal for a hotel in architecturally mediocre Portobello ,Dublin ran into heavy opposition from locals. An investment in several film studios measuring about 70 yards by 70 yards that most countries would die for is meeting snobbish attitudes from Wicklow County Council. Dublin Airport's new runaway may be made uneconomic if the local council which regulates its use responds to the usual constituents' whingeing about noise.

After the vexatious legal appeals against the proposal for a huge data centre investment in Galway, Apple Computer's CEO conveyed his displeasure to the government about Ireland's planning system. But will the government respond by introducing legislation to speed up the leisurely snailpace of planning appeals? Maybe several regional versions of Bord Pleanala are needed, with power to rule if projects are environmentally benign and subject to fast track planning.

Irish planning snobbery and complacency could undermine the core engine of the economy, foreign direct investment, not to mention the damage to indigeneous businesses.
 
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Yes let's go back to the previous way of doing things. Grant planning and build wherever and whatever the developer wants. Shortage of houses, let's crank out 90k plus a year in often far going locations with a slight nod to fire codes etc. Let's all party yeehaw.

Oh wait we tried that already and even our grand children will be paying the debt of the greedy cosseted pr1cks who largely got off scot free.

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While I agree that Ireland's planning system pays way too much heed to eejits making vexatious complaints. I think you've picked some bad examples to prove your point:

1) Airport noise from a new runway that will radically increase capacity at DUB is a legitimate concern, although one which I believe all effected parties have been suitably compensated for.

2) Apple data centre, unlike it's Danish counterpart, included no provision for energy efficiency or providing a portion of it's own energy. The Danish one contributes it's waste heat to the district heating system. If it and many other data centres were built, you know who would have to pay for infrastructure to accommodate the increased electricity consumption? we would that's who.

3) Portobello square will not be built on that's for sure
 
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The Irish planning system seems to treat many environmentally benign services centre projects as if they were toxic chemicals plants. A proposal for a hotel in architecturally mediocre Portobello ,Dublin ran into heavy opposition from locals. An investment in several film studios measuring about 70 yards by 70 yards that most countries would die for is meeting snobbish attitudes from Wicklow County Council. Dublin Airport's new runaway may be made uneconomic if the local council which regulates its use responds to the usual constituents' whingeing about noise.

After the vexatious legal appeals against the proposal for a huge data centre investment in Galway, Apple Computer's CEO conveyed his displeasure to the government about Ireland's planning system. But will the government respond by introducing legislation to speed up the leisurely snailpace of planning appeals? Maybe several regional versions of Bord Pleanala are needed, with power to rule if projects are environmentally benign and subject to fast track planning.

Irish planning snobbery and complacency could undermine the core engine of the economy, foreign direct investment, not the mention the damage to indigeneous businesses.
Data centres will substantially increase our emissions and generate low levels of economic activity relative to emission levels.
 

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Small terrace houses, nothing special.
Very fine Victorian red bricks, nice human scale. The canal harbour, nice bridge, the former harbour hotel building which later became the nursing home where Jack Yeats died (now a language school). A fine pub on the corner of the bridge. It's not the Customs House, but as an environment, it has a lot to be said for it.
 

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Yes let's go back to the previous way of doing things. Grant planning and build wherever and whatever the developer wants. Shortage of houses, let's crank out 90k plus a year in often far going locations with a slight nod to fire codes etc. Let's all party yeehaw.

Oh wait we tried that already and even our grand children will be paying the debt of the greedy cosseted pr1cks who largely got off scot free.

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Your snobbish attitude presents an extreme. Regional versions of Bord Pleanala could prevent abuses of planning without vexatious snailpace legal appeals.
 

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While I agree that Ireland's planning system pays way too much heed to eejits making vexatious complaints. I think you've picked some bad examples to prove your point:

1) Airport noise from a new runway that will radically increase capacity at DUB is a legitimate concern, although one which I believe all effected parties have been suitably compensated for.

2) Apple data centre, unlike it's Danish counterpart, included no provision for energy efficiency or providing a portion of it's own energy. The Danish one contributes it's waste heat to the district heating system. If it and many other data centres were built, you know who would have to pay for infrastructure to accommodate the increased electricity consumption? we would that's who.

3) Portobello square will not be built on that's for sure
Why buy a house near an airport if noise bothers you? New generation jets are quieter.

Why should Apple be involved in fiddly local energy projects? It's a business, not a charity.

Energy subsidies for wind farms will be abolished soon and the good news is that gigantic wind turbines are competitive in prices with fossil fuels. Tall turbines 150 yards high have an undesirable visual impact in Ireland's mostly scenic areas, so it's important they be concentrated.

Portobello has a concentration of fast food restaurants and housing divided into micro flats. A well designed hotel could improve it.
 

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Data centres will substantially increase our emissions and generate low levels of economic activity relative to emission levels.
Not if wind farms supply the energy,now that they can compete in price with fossil fuel plants. International bids by wind farm energy suppliers have shown a major long term downtrend in prices per kwh.
 

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Not if wind farms supply the energy,now that they can compete in price with fossil fuel plants. International bids by wind farm energy suppliers have shown a major long term downtrend in prices per kwh.
Wind farms do not compete on price with fossil fuel generation. We have 4429Mw of wind power supplying our Grid yet our CO2 emissions are circa 480 grams of CO2 /kWh, compared to 13 grams of CO2/kWh in Norway. Irish Wind Energy Association - Wind Statistics




The Capacity factor of the Wind Fleet varies greatly throughout the year.
 

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Wind farms do not compete on price with fossil fuel generation. We have 4429Mw of wind power supplying our Grid yet our CO2 emissions are circa 480 grams of CO2 /kWh, compared to 13 grams of CO2/kWh in Norway. Irish Wind Energy Association - Wind Statistics




The Capacity factor of the Wind Fleet varies greatly throughout the year.
99% of energy in Norway comes from hydro. Of course their CO2 emissions are much less than ours. Of course having suitable mountains and a ready supply of meltwater helps I would imagine.

It's usually good practice to compare apples with apples.
 

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99% of energy in Norway comes from hydro. Of course their CO2 emissions are much less than ours. Of course having suitable mountains and a ready supply of meltwater helps I would imagine.

It's usually good practice to compare apples with apples.
Barring disingenuous comparisons!
 

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Wind farms do not compete on price with fossil fuel generation. We have 4429Mw of wind power supplying our Grid yet our CO2 emissions are circa 480 grams of CO2 /kWh, compared to 13 grams of CO2/kWh in Norway. Irish Wind Energy Association - Wind Statistics




The Capacity factor of the Wind Fleet varies greatly throughout the year.
Educate yourself on windfarm energy costs https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/16/16895594/colorado-renewable-energy-future Prices are similar in Europe.
 

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Very fine Victorian red bricks, nice human scale. The canal harbour, nice bridge, the former harbour hotel building which later became the nursing home where Jack Yeats died (now a language school). A fine pub on the corner of the bridge. It's not the Customs House, but as an environment, it has a lot to be said for it.
From the evidence of its posts Plat is a demented muck savage who would like nothing better than to see all of Dublin's built heritage replaced with something akin to Shenzhen.

The fact he sees merit in tearing down Portobello House and replacing it with this monstrosity https://lovindublin.com/news/dublin-locals-are-trying-to-save-portobello-plaza-from-being-replaced-with-a-hotel at the same time destroying a local amenity, proves that he is a grudge ridden philistine

I don't know how to post pictures but the link below contains a picture of Portobello House and the public area beside the lock.

I get the impression Platt lives in the back bedroom at mummy and daddy's has limited education and marketable skills and little chance of being able to buy a house in the type of area he aspires to live in. As a reaction, riddled with begrudgery he would like to see anything of aesthetic value and all public amenities destroyed, he would probably support filling the canal with concrete and turning it into a motorway



http://inrathmines.ie/images/history/PortobelloHouse.jpeg
 

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From the evidence of its posts Plat is a demented muck savage who would like nothing better than to see all of Dublin's built heritage replaced with something akin to Shenzhen.

The fact he sees merit in tearing down Portobello House and replacing it with this monstrosity https://lovindublin.com/news/dublin-locals-are-trying-to-save-portobello-plaza-from-being-replaced-with-a-hotel at the same time destroying a local amenity, proves that he is a grudge ridden philistine

I don't know how to post pictures but the link below contains a picture of Portobello House and the public area beside the lock.

I get the impression Platt lives in the back bedroom at mummy and daddy's has limited education and marketable skills and little chance of being able to buy a house in the type of area he aspires to live in. As a reaction, riddled with begrudgery he would like to see anything of aesthetic value and all public amenities destroyed, he would probably support filling the canal with concrete and turning it into a motorway



http://inrathmines.ie/images/history/PortobelloHouse.jpeg
Your personal attack says it all about your own mentality.A well designed hotel should be an improvement on the existing college building which is closed to the public. I assume the planning authority could have called for or hinted at an improved design and scale.
 
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Your snobbish attitude presents an extreme. Regional versions of Bord Pleanala could prevent abuses of planning without vexatious snailpace legal appeals.
Your anti democratic, self serving posts are noted. A gombeen.

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The Irish planning system seems to treat many environmentally benign services centre projects as if they were toxic chemicals plants. A proposal for a hotel in architecturally mediocre Portobello ,Dublin ran into heavy opposition from locals. An investment in several film studios measuring about 70 yards by 70 yards that most countries would die for is meeting snobbish attitudes from Wicklow County Council. Dublin Airport's new runaway may be made uneconomic if the local council which regulates its use responds to the usual constituents' whingeing about noise.

After the vexatious legal appeals against the proposal for a huge data centre investment in Galway, Apple Computer's CEO conveyed his displeasure to the government about Ireland's planning system. But will the government respond by introducing legislation to speed up the leisurely snailpace of planning appeals? Maybe several regional versions of Bord Pleanala are needed, with power to rule if projects are environmentally benign and subject to fast track planning.

Irish planning snobbery and complacency could undermine the core engine of the economy, foreign direct investment, not to mention the damage to indigeneous businesses.
If it has to do with the film industry, then its not snobbery that fuels the Wicklow CC, but rather protectionism. I thought you would have known about the Wicklows film industry. They want to keep as much of it as possible.
 


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