SNP to call for second referendum: confirmed

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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scoxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
 
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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scotxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
If Scotland leaves the UK it is hard to see what Loyalists are "loyal" to?

The Scottish connection (from my acquaintance with Northerners) is by far the most important. Wales? England?
 

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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scotxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
She can call all she likes but the SNP needs a majority to vote through the bill for a referendum. That they don't have.
 

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If Scotland leaves the UK it is hard to see what Loyalists are "loyal" to?

The Scottish connection (from my acquaintance with Northerners) is by far the most important. Wales? England?
If Scotland leaves it means a UI. Fingers crossed.
 

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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scotxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
You have a knack for stupid posts.


Firstly, the highlighted bit isn't news.


Secondly, your prescience at the outcome of not only a Holyrood vote, but also a plebiscite is truly awe-inspiring.
 

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Very interestingly - no mention from Nicola of getting London's approval this time. Hollyrood doesn't have the legal authority to call a referendum - so this is a constitutional crisis in the making.

Will May let it slide?
 

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You have a knack for stupid posts.


Firstly, the highlighted bit isn't news.


Secondly, your prescience at the outcome of not only a Holyrood vote, but also a plebiscite is truly awe-inspiring.
Panicking?
 

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Very interestingly - no mention from Nicola of getting London's approval this time. Hollyrood doesn't have the legal authority to call a referendum - so this is a constitutional crisis in the making.

Will May let it slide?
Ah but, shure that's not news at all, at all.
 

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Just for the shíts and giggles, I would love to see a Scexit vote. Scotland would become an independent country outside the EU.


The LOLz of it all.


It could only be topped if the UK decision was "scotched" (lolz) by the HoL and then England/Wale/NI stayed in the EU.
 
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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scotxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
Could we have "Scoxit", please? That "tx" combination is hard to pronounce and looks unnecessarily Basque in its orthography.
 

Vega1447

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Just for the shíts and giggles, I would love to see a Scexit vote. Scotland would become an independent country outside the EU.


The LOLz of it all.
Scotland, once independent, can join any international body it chooses.

NATO would be desperate to have them because of their location. EU would be delighted to have them back, if for no other reason than pour encourager les autres..
 

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In a major speech on Brexit this morning, Nicola Sturgeon has conformed that she wants Scotland to have a second vote on independence at the end of the Brexit process, and that she will ask the Scottish Parliament to back her this week.

So, it looks increasingly likely that Brexit means Scotxit, from the UK. If the UK breaks up, what happens to the North?

Is this what Brexiteers envisaged happening?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/13/article-50-commons-lords-brexit-sturgeon-speech-corbyn-clarifies-his-position-on-second-scottish-independence-referendum-saying-hes-opposed-politics-live
Not sure about that. There still remains a great chunk of the Scottish electorate that will grit their teeth and vote No. It will take a lot of goading from Tories and other English nationalists to change that. It remains to be seen if they can restrain themselves.
 
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It would be held between autumn 2018 and spring 2019.

Would she not be better off to wait for a year or so until the full effects of Brexit hit and then a deeply disgruntled Scottish nation realizes that it's all turning into a shambles?
 
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Not sure about that. There still remains a great chunk of the Scottish electorate that will grit their teeth and vote No. It will take a lot of goading from Tories and other English nationalists to change that. It remains to be seen if they can restrain themselves.
Maybe. But by late 2018 the Brexit negotiations might have the UK in a very dark place.
 


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