So Call Our New Prostitution Law?

Leandrai

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Leandrai when you say AGS is taking their cash, do you mean the confiscations allowed under the existing law, or are you talking about blackmail?
I am talking about people who *CLAIM* to be AGS "confiscating" cash - and I have an idea that is only allowed under the law:
  1. If they give a receipt
  2. If they are real guards

But with the pillorying terror tactics used by Ruhama in the press there is very little to stop anyone claiming to be a Guard and terrorising sex workers or clients into handing over money...the anti client hate campaign is a gift to gurriers.

Incidentally, not sure how many people realise this but the only Gardai available to deal with sex worker's problems are the same squad that raid and arrest them.

Let that sink in.

So, imagine you have just been raided by 2 men and a women who claim to be guards and seem pretty convincing despite never actually showing clear ID and have seized €136,5 the macbook you got for Christmas, the gold pendant your Mam and Dad gave you for your 21st and that funny old ring with the big white stone your Gran left you and an Iphone 5 that (thank heavens) you use for travelling to avoid light fingers in transit...

Are you, seriously, going to be able to make yourself go down to the nearest pub (phone is gone, remember) and call the Gardai knowing it will be passed straight to the same guards who's job it is to raid you and arrest your clients?

I don't think so.
 
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AFAIK the unfortunate senior citizen was caught up in a brothel raid, with no consequence for any other party involved! If this was the case, it was done to appease TORLERs! It could well be a PR nightmare for such groups! The day of their greatest victory may become the day of their greatest defeat! Gloating over the public humiliation of a harmless 65 year old man, probably the sort of punter, the girls like to see the most!
I do see a lack of enthusiasm for the gloating campaign...the Journal pointedly didn't report it and Ruhama's twitter feed is currently 50 shades of random defensive.
 

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Also Laura Lee did point out back in the day that the gardaI in the Republic were acting the bollex rightly in terms of abusing sex workers up to and including physical assaults and freebees and possibly sexual assault as well and she did say The PSNI were not at that!
 

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The legal system and that newspaper have just ruined the life of man in his sixties. How is a man of that age supposed to get a young woman to have sex with him? Hopefully he continues, in for a penny in for a pound.
 

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Well he may as well continue now that his personal life has been made public. To be honest I'd contribute to a crowd-funding effort to pay for his next episode of horizontal yoga.
 

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So you’re 65 and you want sex with a beautiful 21 year old, now what do you? It’s ridiculous forcing men to fly to Amsterdam to let off a bit of steam. What happens the ugly men ? They can never have sex with a beautiful woman?

This is terrible for the mental health of men. Men need sex and this law will increase suicide rates.
 

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Given the subject matter and the eternal nonsense of any state thinking it can legislate prostitution away despite thousands of years of informative failure of the concept, I doubt our current laws will do anything except what they are calculated to do- basically continue the moralising line promoted by Ruhama, a bunch of superannuated nuns by philosophy as well all know.

Best possible thing to do is continue to ignore the law. As for myself if I am so moved to go to a prostitute and am threatened with social opprobrium by being named I shall simply say 'go right ahead'.

After that everyone would know I am in the habit of going to prostitutes so that would be a relief in itself. And then the threat of stigmatisation fails from there on.
 

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Given the subject matter and the eternal nonsense of any state thinking it can legislate prostitution away ....
One of the sex workers spokesmen made a good point the other day: *every* man she knows who pays for sex *already* believed it was illegal to do so!
 

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Well he may as well continue now that his personal life has been made public. To be honest I'd contribute to a crowd-funding effort to pay for his next episode of horizontal yoga.
Wouldn't it be nice to do a go fund me crowd source for him on the net!:giggle:
 

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As for myself if I am so moved to go to a prostitute and am threatened with social opprobrium by being named I shall simply say 'go right ahead'.

After that everyone would know I am in the habit of going to prostitutes so that would be a relief in itself. And then the threat of stigmatisation fails from there on.
...as long as none of the sex workers you go to ever find out you habitually refer to them as "prostitutes" you should be fine...:rolleyes2:
 

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Courtesans, sex workers, prostitutes, dancing girls, actresses, escorts, 'part time models' and so on and so forth....
 

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personal nurses... executive assistants as they say in the Middle East.... a few years ago it was discovered that some well known Middle Eastern sheikhs had a row of flats in Piccadilly with a string of escorts on call. Essentially it was a London-based harem for the lads.

The chances of any of them being arrested for running a brothel are slim to non-existent as they'd all have diplomatic immunity.

Ruhama may be able to influence the Irish government but the high end of the market is somewhere that would ignore the Ruhamas of the world. And so would the Met Police if they didn't want to end up counting last year's parking tickets one by one on the Isle of Wight.
 

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Essentially the state is becoming the biggest pimp of them all.

...and the fines are sometimes paid to ruhama, which is therefore partly "living on the profits of prostitution" (including the earnings of women who have been trafficked).

You really could not make it up.

It is a branch of the Entertainment Business. Other branches of the EB have come in from the cold and been legalised, taxed etc. Cannabis products will probably be legit in the 2020s. Escorting will be legalised whenever a bunch of civil servants figger out that the tax take could pay some of their salaries...
 

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...and the fines are sometimes paid to ruhama, which is therefore partly "living on the profits of prostitution" (including the earnings of women who have been trafficked).
It I live 1000 years I will never understand how they can live with doing that and much less how anyone accepts and enables them.
 

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A friend of mine heads to Amsterdam every month for sex with a blonde, brunette, black and Asian for €200 . He is lucky that he has the money to do so. Why is the state at war with him ?
 

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Obviously this is a politics website so not many women, but what is the female view?
From a personal female perspective:
  1. I do not approve, if I were younger (and, of course, asked) I wouldn’t date him.
  2. What other adults do is absolutely none of my business
  3. I would rather see his money (including travel) end up in the pockets of sex workers in Ireland
 
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A friend of mine heads to Amsterdam every month for sex with a blonde, brunette, black and Asian for €200 . He is lucky that he has the money to do so. Why is the state at war with him ?
How is the State at war with him?
Is someone stopping him going there every month?
 


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