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So Call Our New Prostitution Law?


Leandrai

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As for myself if I am so moved to go to a prostitute and am threatened with social opprobrium by being named I shall simply say 'go right ahead'.

After that everyone would know I am in the habit of going to prostitutes so that would be a relief in itself. And then the threat of stigmatisation fails from there on.
...as long as none of the sex workers you go to ever find out you habitually refer to them as "prostitutes" you should be fine...:rolleyes2:
 


Lumpy Talbot

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Courtesans, sex workers, prostitutes, dancing girls, actresses, escorts, 'part time models' and so on and so forth....
 

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personal nurses... executive assistants as they say in the Middle East.... a few years ago it was discovered that some well known Middle Eastern sheikhs had a row of flats in Piccadilly with a string of escorts on call. Essentially it was a London-based harem for the lads.

The chances of any of them being arrested for running a brothel are slim to non-existent as they'd all have diplomatic immunity.

Ruhama may be able to influence the Irish government but the high end of the market is somewhere that would ignore the Ruhamas of the world. And so would the Met Police if they didn't want to end up counting last year's parking tickets one by one on the Isle of Wight.
 

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Essentially the state is becoming the biggest pimp of them all.

...and the fines are sometimes paid to ruhama, which is therefore partly "living on the profits of prostitution" (including the earnings of women who have been trafficked).

You really could not make it up.

It is a branch of the Entertainment Business. Other branches of the EB have come in from the cold and been legalised, taxed etc. Cannabis products will probably be legit in the 2020s. Escorting will be legalised whenever a bunch of civil servants figger out that the tax take could pay some of their salaries...
 

Leandrai

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...and the fines are sometimes paid to ruhama, which is therefore partly "living on the profits of prostitution" (including the earnings of women who have been trafficked).
It I live 1000 years I will never understand how they can live with doing that and much less how anyone accepts and enables them.
 

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A friend of mine heads to Amsterdam every month for sex with a blonde, brunette, black and Asian for €200 . He is lucky that he has the money to do so. Why is the state at war with him ?
 

Leandrai

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Obviously this is a politics website so not many women, but what is the female view?
From a personal female perspective:
  1. I do not approve, if I were younger (and, of course, asked) I wouldn’t date him.
  2. What other adults do is absolutely none of my business
  3. I would rather see his money (including travel) end up in the pockets of sex workers in Ireland
 
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A friend of mine heads to Amsterdam every month for sex with a blonde, brunette, black and Asian for €200 . He is lucky that he has the money to do so. Why is the state at war with him ?
How is the State at war with him?
Is someone stopping him going there every month?
 

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How is the State at war with him?
Is someone stopping him going there every month?
It"s forcing him to go there for nookie!:rolleyes2:
 

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Strange relationship between the world's two oldest professions. You can get plenty of policy discussions at party conferences on how to regulate away this sordid trade (prostitution, not politics, obviously) and at the same time you'll get busloads of escorts heading to the seaside at party conference time :)
 

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How is he a perv, for wishing to engage with other consenting adults sexually in private?:rolleyes2:

Yes, that sounds quite normal in my neck of the woods.

Some guys have to "persuade" a lady (or guy) with a car, a ring, a leg of a racehorse, or cash, but what is the differ? His nerve endings get tweaked by her., and hers by him They may do it again, or not. Happens all the time.
 
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Sorry, UK Sex Work Protesters, There's No Such Thing as a 'Pimp Lobby'

Internet campaigners want the world to realize the UK sex industry is run by a clandestine "pimp lobby", hellbent on trafficking women for prostitution. Actual sex workers want them to realise their claims are complete bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnqx48/the-pimp-lobby-292

From 2015 but if you have not already, It is worth reading
 

Dame_Enda

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Should we really be taking advice on this issue from Sweden, which has the highest per capita incidence of rape in the EU according to the Daphne II report, which was funded by the EU? Irish progressive commentators have a Utopian delusion about Sweden as a model for society.
 

Leandrai

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Ruhama is hiring:
Ruhama – Chief Executive Officer Post - Talbot Pierce Consulting

Job description is enlightening.

I have a better idea, after the "Royal Visit" I found myself looking at a whole network of sex work support organisations I did not even dream existed, for all the years since I left sex work. Let me show you some examples, they all have outreach vans, drop in centres and all other services Ruhama affect to provide (if they can catch us first!), and encourage women to "exit" (I HATE that word) but the difference is staggering - you really have to visit and see it:
One25 - Step away from the streets
MASH | Manchester Action on Street Health
Sex Work Project - Basis

Just for a minute let's set aside where you stand on the political issue of sex work, I always knew Ruhama was not, and never would be fit for purpose, but it took a couple of pregnant Royals to show me the way to why.

It should have been obvious, you cannot have a "support service" that takes ANY political position on those they are supporting, not even full decriminalisation

The only way to offer real valid support is to offer it equally to all affected and, on the individual level upon which support is worthwhile and effective, every political position you can think of is going to be the conflict of interest that excludes somebody, even if it isn't the conflict of interest that excludes everybody who does not want a career as a professional abolitionist survivor.

Politics must be kept strictly separate from support services, all support services.

I would like to see Ruhama defunded and the money used to set up a politically neutral support service along the lines of those above - of course if the sex workers stop feeling the need to run away and hide it may cost more.

I am a former sex worker with complex needs, there should be NO SUCH THING as a support service for women affected by sex work that I would want to be off my head to go near - but equally (and I have huge problems with everything she does, but not doubt that she was a sex worker once too) there should be NO SUCH THING as a support service for women affected by sex work that Mia Di Faoite would want to be off her head to go near

The only way to achieve that is to do the right thing and leave all the politics out of it, WHATEVER.

(NB Al Nusra rebranded twice already without me falling for it, I think you can assume that the same rules apply to all self serving careerists who hide behind a mask of ideological extremism, which includes, but is not limited to, Ruhama and the DUP)
 

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