So Call Our New Prostitution Law?

General Urko

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How is the State at war with him?
Is someone stopping him going there every month?
It"s forcing him to go there for nookie!:rolleyes2:
 


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Strange relationship between the world's two oldest professions. You can get plenty of policy discussions at party conferences on how to regulate away this sordid trade (prostitution, not politics, obviously) and at the same time you'll get busloads of escorts heading to the seaside at party conference time :)
 

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How is he a perv, for wishing to engage with other consenting adults sexually in private?:rolleyes2:

Yes, that sounds quite normal in my neck of the woods.

Some guys have to "persuade" a lady (or guy) with a car, a ring, a leg of a racehorse, or cash, but what is the differ? His nerve endings get tweaked by her., and hers by him They may do it again, or not. Happens all the time.
 
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Sorry, UK Sex Work Protesters, There's No Such Thing as a 'Pimp Lobby'

Internet campaigners want the world to realize the UK sex industry is run by a clandestine "pimp lobby", hellbent on trafficking women for prostitution. Actual sex workers want them to realise their claims are complete bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnqx48/the-pimp-lobby-292

From 2015 but if you have not already, It is worth reading
 

Dame_Enda

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Should we really be taking advice on this issue from Sweden, which has the highest per capita incidence of rape in the EU according to the Daphne II report, which was funded by the EU? Irish progressive commentators have a Utopian delusion about Sweden as a model for society.
 

Leandrai

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Ruhama is hiring:
Ruhama – Chief Executive Officer Post - Talbot Pierce Consulting

Job description is enlightening.

I have a better idea, after the "Royal Visit" I found myself looking at a whole network of sex work support organisations I did not even dream existed, for all the years since I left sex work. Let me show you some examples, they all have outreach vans, drop in centres and all other services Ruhama affect to provide (if they can catch us first!), and encourage women to "exit" (I HATE that word) but the difference is staggering - you really have to visit and see it:
One25 - Step away from the streets
MASH | Manchester Action on Street Health
Sex Work Project - Basis

Just for a minute let's set aside where you stand on the political issue of sex work, I always knew Ruhama was not, and never would be fit for purpose, but it took a couple of pregnant Royals to show me the way to why.

It should have been obvious, you cannot have a "support service" that takes ANY political position on those they are supporting, not even full decriminalisation

The only way to offer real valid support is to offer it equally to all affected and, on the individual level upon which support is worthwhile and effective, every political position you can think of is going to be the conflict of interest that excludes somebody, even if it isn't the conflict of interest that excludes everybody who does not want a career as a professional abolitionist survivor.

Politics must be kept strictly separate from support services, all support services.

I would like to see Ruhama defunded and the money used to set up a politically neutral support service along the lines of those above - of course if the sex workers stop feeling the need to run away and hide it may cost more.

I am a former sex worker with complex needs, there should be NO SUCH THING as a support service for women affected by sex work that I would want to be off my head to go near - but equally (and I have huge problems with everything she does, but not doubt that she was a sex worker once too) there should be NO SUCH THING as a support service for women affected by sex work that Mia Di Faoite would want to be off her head to go near

The only way to achieve that is to do the right thing and leave all the politics out of it, WHATEVER.

(NB Al Nusra rebranded twice already without me falling for it, I think you can assume that the same rules apply to all self serving careerists who hide behind a mask of ideological extremism, which includes, but is not limited to, Ruhama and the DUP)
 

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Should we really be taking advice on this issue from Sweden, which has the highest per capita incidence of rape in the EU according to the Daphne II report, which was funded by the EU? Irish progressive commentators have a Utopian delusion about Sweden as a model for society.
Dystopian delusion more like it. This country is turning gradually into a veritable S@@t hole. There is a large and growing number of NGO's (i.e. organisations run on state and EU funds) which pander to the needs and requirements of social control and interference which in turn spawns an avalanche of career activists.
 

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Sorry, UK Sex Work Protesters, There's No Such Thing as a 'Pimp Lobby'

Internet campaigners want the world to realize the UK sex industry is run by a clandestine "pimp lobby", hellbent on trafficking women for prostitution. Actual sex workers want them to realise their claims are complete bullshit.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/nnqx48/the-pimp-lobby-292

From 2015 but if you have not already, It is worth reading
There IS SO a "pimp Lobby"
Justine Reilly | Space International
Puppet Show | The Honest Courtesan
Woman is fined £11,500 for running brothels in Dublin
 

Leandrai

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Dystopian delusion more like it. This country is turning gradually into a veritable S@@t hole. There is a large and growing number of NGO's (i.e. organisations run on state and EU funds) which pander to the needs and requirements of social control and interference which in turn spawns an avalanche of career activists.
That is an horrific truth...they are unelected to office, self appointed, rather than trained, to expertise and in control of everything. Like an alternative privately owned civil service.

Technically I am a "vulnerable adult" in several different ways and it is as if there are two different worlds:
  • One for other people where there is every kind of help you could imagine available to me for the price of a phone call.
  • The real world where all I am surrounded by are knives for my back where I would want to be off my head to trust anyone to water my pots plants without constant supervision.

Trouble is, I really did need help and support all along...I just learned the hard way that I had better do without young, or I seriously do not think I would still be here (and I only just realised that but I think it is true). It isn't a life - but who told me I'd ever get one of those? It is just that knowing that the life I will never have has been funded several times over and junketed away makes me furious...

Then I have to try not to think about the others who did not manage to do without as well as I have.
 
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Leandrai

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Dystopian delusion more like it. This country is turning gradually into a veritable S@@t hole. There is a large and growing number of NGO's (i.e. organisations run on state and EU funds) which pander to the needs and requirements of social control and interference which in turn spawns an avalanche of career activists.
I nicked your post and quoted it to avoid waffling on forever, twice...hope you don't mind, but in the course of trying to find Ruhama's original address (could drive to the place still but could not remember) I came across some more interesting information about Kilmacud House where their first offices were, see links. It was, for some time, the FOUNDATION HOUSE of the convent/laundry that was found to have 20 extra bodies in the cemetery in 1993 and finally exposed the Magdalene Laundries :
Fair Warning: Please Read | My MythBuster

Article linked is laundry denial but, perhaps as a result, it documents the roles of various buildings including Kilmacud and Ruhama's second home at All Hallows, Drumcondra
 
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Could I ask could people read and sign and share if possible, In order to sign you need email, name and u.k postal code

https://makeallwomensafe.org/

There Seems to be a push right now in the U.K by abolitionist groups like and including SPACE International who recently had a very one-sided event in London, They seem well funded, Using similar p.r, advertising templates, Lots of pulling stats from thin air and Conflation. The Art of Manipulation.
 
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Could I ask could people read and sign and share if possible, In order to sign you need email, name and u.k postal code

https://makeallwomensafe.org/

There Seems to be a push right now in the U.K by abolitionist pro-Swedish model groups like and including SPACE International, who recently had a very one-sided event in London, They seem well funded, Using similar p.r, advertising templates, Lots of pulling stats from thin air and Conflation. The Art of Manipulation.
 

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The GMB union in Scotland has set up a sex workers union. Irish unions should follow suit. The issue needs to be decriminalised so that sex workers can improve working conditions and report abusive clients. The fear of being prosecuted is deterring sex workers from reporting assaults by clients, as evidenced by the rising incidence of assaults on sex workers since the new law came in.

Scotland gets first sex workers' union
 


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