So Call Our New Prostitution Law?

General Urko

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This lady seems to have been working independently, so these "respectable gents" were not frequentg an alleged brothel, giving lie to the misconception widely doing the rounds that the clientele of independent and thereby totally legal sex workers will not be targeted by the pigz!
So unless these lovely gentleman admitted to paying for nookie, surely the cases in this instance are vulnerable under the notion that it can't be illegal to purchase a service in a context where its fully legal to sell it!
 


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So the lady in the "dwelling" wasn't complaining about being trafficked?

And was being visited by "respectable" men. And they were listening to beethoven or doing whatever in private, as in we are all entitled to privacy.

No complaints from the neighbours?

A victimless crime ...
One of the other aspects of this disgusting inhumane law is that it could possibly lead to the pigz. going for easy fish in the barrel fines rather than real policing!
 

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Green conference has passed motion from Young Greens calling for decriminalisation of prostitution. A positive and progressive policy.
 

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Green conference has passed motion from Young Greens calling for decriminalisation of prostitution. A positive and progressive policy.
I hope it won't be forgotten as their party grandees rush to get their paws on the mercs and perks of office when becomiing
the junior hurlers in government again. Ln k9
Yes to be welcomed. Shall common sense finally prevail?
But will they put repealing clause 4 and decriminalization into a programme for Government document?
I doubt it!
 

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I see those with a Green agenda are trying to stop the plebs from flying now! Maybe they don't want their holiers and numerous junkets sullied by having to encounter non native peasants!
I think they will be pushing that agenda more so and other drivel than protecting sex workers' rights when they get a few more seats next time out!:mad:
 

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Nine signatures to go on this...

C'mon everybody:
 

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Today Ruhama decided to give the street sellers of sexual access, who cannot run fast enough to avoid them or have been chosen by their peers as tribute a BIG morale boost - by loudly implying to the world at large that they are too ugly/drug addled/charmless/unwashed/other to make the €1.07 it would cost them to buy their own tampons in Aldi..
You couldn't make it up...
They did this last November too.
 

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Today Ruhama decided to give the street sellers of sexual access, who cannot run fast enough to avoid them or have been chosen by their peers as tribute a BIG morale boost - by loudly implying to the world at large that they are too ugly/drug addled/charmless/unwashed/other to make the €1.07 it would cost them to buy their own tampons in Aldi..
You couldn't make it up...
They did this last November too.
Ah, bless them!
 

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Theres a case in the news today about two prostitutes that were raped by a man. The judge said one of the factors in the case was the secrecy they were forced to work in.

Clearly the new law has exposed sex workers to greater danger because if they work alone they are in more danger, but have to do so or they are criminalised.
 

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Theres a case in the news today about two prostitutes that were raped by a man. The judge said one of the factors in the case was the secrecy they were forced to work in.

Clearly the new law has exposed sex workers to greater danger because if they work alone they are in more danger, but have to do so or they are criminalised.

He got a 20 year stretch.

Well done judge Tara Burns. People are people.
 

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Joe.ie reporting today that all the parties except the government are calling for a review of the 2017 law and to consider decriminalising sex workers who live together. As explained before, the current law is criminalising those who work together. The result is many work alone, where they have noone to protect them from potentially violent clients. The Dept of Justice is saying it still opposes decriminalising them.

The thing is, despite the likelihood theres now a majority for this, Fine Gael keeps using a parliamentary procedure called the "money message" to block legislation supported by Dail majorities. The FG government has used it maybe 50 times since 2016, including for Frances Black's bill on blocking trade with Israeli settlements. Will they do that again? Probably.

While decriminalisation of these women would be a major improvement on the flawed Sexual Offences Act 2017, the decriminalisation of non violent clients is in my view also necessary. Consenting adults should not be criminalised, and the current system risks introducing entrapment of consenting adults into policing in the South, judging by recent arrests of suspected clients in New Ross who were alleged to be using a brothel.
 

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Joe.ie reporting today that all the parties except the government are calling for a review of the 2017 law and to consider decriminalising sex workers who live together. As explained before, the current law is criminalising those who work together. The result is many work alone, where they have noone to protect them from potentially violent clients. The Dept of Justice is saying it still opposes decriminalising them.

The thing is, despite the likelihood theres now a majority for this, Fine Gael keeps using a parliamentary procedure called the "money message" to block legislation supported by Dail majorities. The FG government has used it maybe 50 times since 2016, including for Frances Black's bill on blocking trade with Israeli settlements. Will they do that again? Probably.

While decriminalisation of these women would be a major improvement on the flawed Sexual Offences Act 2017, the decriminalisation of non violent clients is in my view also necessary. Consenting adults should not be criminalised, and the current system risks introducing entrapment of consenting adults into policing in the South, judging by recent arrests of suspected clients in New Ross who were alleged to be using a brothel.
So you will have a situation where a service is fully legal to provide and illegal to avail of!
 

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So you will have a situation where a service is fully legal to provide and illegal to avail of!
That might be what the parties (except maybe the Greens who I think also opposed criminalising clients) want. I support decriminalising both client and sex worker as long as its adults. Only a totalitarian regime runs around trying to stop adults having consensual sex.
 

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Reports that condoms are being used as evidence to prosecute sex workers. The result will be that they wont be used as much, leading to stds. Dumb policy.

Even when I first saw it in London in 1982 (In a climate where AIDS was emerging and the priority was persuading people to use condoms, ALWAYS, WHATEVER) that struck me as the most invasive, presumptive, and totally irresponsible approach to policing I had ever seen.

I used have a slit in the stitching of the lining of my handbag to carry them, we all did.
 
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Even when I fist saw it in London in 1982 (In a climate where AIDS was emerging and the priority was persuading people to use condoms, ALWAYS, WHATEVER) that struck me as the most invasive, presumptive, and totally irresponsible approach to policing I had ever seen.

I used have a slit in the stitching of the lining of my handbag to carry them, we all did.
A minor crime against humanity for which they should never be forgiven. The retards who run the government are highly unlikely to change the law. But there is a good chance the courts will be forced to.
 

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When Scotland got it's national police force a few years ago, it appears to have been Glasgow dominated.
To make their presence felt and to let Edinburgh know who was the new sheriff, they launched a PR spectacular by raiding the capitals licensed saunas/brothels.
They put forward a post raid notion that to ensure the establishments could no longer operate as brothels that there should be a no condom on premises rule!
Everything was laughed out of course and thankfully the established brothels/saunas still operate there as before!
 


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