So how to we get rid of IRA/UVF Scum?

fluffykontbiscuits

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How would one rid ourselves of the scourge of the IRA/UVF? I see all the political talk and puffing out of chest but lets say we had the chance to rid ourselves of the gun out of politics how do we do it?
 


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Short answer, we don't.
The gun has been a key tool in the hands of various political groupings since the formation of the Irish Volunteers in 1778 and their subsequent pressurizing London for Irish legislative independence.

Given that large elements of both communities in the North are still hopelessly divided and disenchanted on ground level, the conditions for conflict are still, unfortunately, ripe.
 

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Short answer, we don't.
The gun has been a key tool in the hands of various political groupings since the formation of the Irish Volunteers in 1778 and their subsequent pressurizing London for Irish legislative independence.

Given that large elements of both communities in the North are still hopelessly divided and disenchanted on ground level, the conditions for conflict are still, unfortunately, ripe.
So in other words the gun is a necessary evil in the politics of the North? Interesting....how to we stop the younger generations being disenfranchised, would this not take the gun out of it?
 

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We dont get rid of them, because we cant get rid of tem.

However we can cure the younger generation by making sure that

we challenge every bit of terrorist revisionism (from both sides) by pointing out how

much suffering they caused and by pointing out that their acts of savegry

acheived noting,

we should also challenge any attempts to romanticise them and there supposed

struggle by pointing out the proliferation of holiday homes in Dongeal etc.

We should also remind people that sinn fein are full of criminals with blood on their hands

and that blood is the blood of fellow Irish people- and until such a time as sinn fein

divides into clean sinn fein and dirty sinn fein (like the banks) then they are a party

that supports criminality.

Thanks for asking that question mate.
 

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How would one rid ourselves of the scourge of the IRA/UVF? I see all the political talk and puffing out of chest but lets say we had the chance to rid ourselves of the gun out of politics how do we do it?
Get them all together in a big field, give them guns and let them get on with it. :rolleyes:
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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We dont get rid of them, because we cant get rid of tem.

However we can cure the younger generation by making sure that

we challenge every bit of terrorist revisionism (from both sides) by pointing out how

much suffering they caused and by pointing out that their acts of savegry

acheived noting,

we should also challenge any attempts to romanticise them and there supposed

struggle by pointing out the proliferation of holiday homes in Dongeal etc.

We should also remind people that sinn fein are full of criminals with blood on their hands

and that blood is the blood of fellow Irish people- and until such a time as sinn fein

divides into clean sinn fein and dirty sinn fein (like the banks) then they are a party

that supports criminality.

Thanks for asking that question mate.
Spot on as always mick! Too often the younger generations are brainwashed into believing they are fighting some struggle against what the junkie dealing scum term "occupiers". I often wonder if the perpetrators of voilence are human themselves, do they think about the consequences of their action? Sure the UVF dont even know who they are fighting, they were set up to destroy Irish republican paramilitaries yet shot mostly Catholic civilians (CAIN: Sutton Index of Deaths) and the RA boasting about getting rid of drugs yet they moved in on that patch when the dealers moved out. Not a shred of credibility in any of these little boys with dangerous toys groups
 

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Like has been stated before, a lot of Unionists on this site have made clear that they consider the UDA/UFF/UVF, etc scum - but only when they mistreat their own community. Sure weren't the B Specials directly recruited friom the loyalist mobs who attacked isolated nationalists in the north east with the open suport of the British army in the early 1920 's ?
 

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Alas Picador what would you do?
Tow Northern Ireland out into the North Atlantic and then sink it.

Either that or get you to come up and knock a few heads together before telling it like it is.
 

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Like has been stated before, a lot of Unionists on this site have made clear that they consider the UDA/UFF/UVF, etc scum - but only when they mistreat their own community. Sure weren't the B Specials directly recruited friom the loyalist mobs who attacked isolated nationalists in the north east with the open suport of the British army in the early 1920 's ?

So how would you remove them Slab, how could we cut the links finally between the politics you love so much and the terrorist groups that blight it? Im interested in hearing your take on it...
 

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Tow Northern Ireland out into the North Atlantic and then sink it.

Either that or get you to come up and knock a few heads together before telling it like it is.
However sitting around the table all we get are people apportioning blame. Lets say both sides committed awful atrocoties what do we do to take the gun out of politics?
 

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Like has been stated before, a lot of Unionists on this site have made clear that they consider the UDA/UFF/UVF, etc scum - but only when they mistreat their own community.
That's a disgusting thing to say. Do you really think any of the unionists on here would justify the murdering of Catholic civilians?
 

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Like has been stated before, a lot of Unionists on this site have made clear that they consider the UDA/UFF/UVF, etc scum - but only when they mistreat their own community. Sure weren't the B Specials
directly recruited friom the loyalist mobs
who attacked isolated nationalists in the north east with the open suport of the British army in the early 1920 's ?
No. They weren't. Except in the "tales from the fireside " version of events.
The IRA was active in the NorthEast as well as the Loyalists. RUC, "A" and "B" Specials were composed of mainly the old RIC.
 

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That's a disgusting thing to say. Do you really think any of the unionists on here would justify the murdering of Catholic civilians?
But thats what happens when we do try to remove the gun from politics, the blame game begins, lets not start blaming one and other. Thats the first step...
 

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But thats what happens when we do try to remove the gun from politics, the blame game begins, lets not start blaming one and other. Thats the first step...
True, mate. I heard the term 'civilianisation' in terms of the UVF. Would that sort of thing work? These organisations are never going to disappear so would it be a better idea to reform them, get rid of army councils etc.
 

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Remove British occupation. The root cause of conflict in Ireland.
 

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True, mate. I heard the term 'civilianisation' in terms of the UVF. Would that sort of thing work? These organisations are never going to disappear so would it be a better idea to reform them, get rid of army councils etc.
Well it would mean handing power over to the people, they would have to be people with no criminal links, preferably a moderate mindset and be willing to work alongside the community. I like the idea actually if we are not going to get rid if them now maybe we should quench the fire.
 


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