So that was #GE2020...so what will the next government look like?

Sync

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Would Eamon Ryan be stupid enough to prop up FF / FG?

Most definitely.
It’s the most logical and stable solution for the running of the country. For the Greens and FF it makes loads of sense. For FG less so and if it doesn’t happen it’ll be because they balk at it.

politically it definitely makes sense for FG to sit out and let FF/SF collapse though and then go for another vote in a year.Hard choices.
 


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Just listening to Pat Kenny describing the lineup of his show today.
"How to survive Valentine's day when you are all alone"
Lol I thought he was describing SF there for a second 😢
 

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Matt Shanahan TD (Ind - Waterford) has denied rumours hes going to join FG.
 

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SF may want the Opposition benches to consolidate its position and to return with more candidates and a bigger mandate.
This election result took them by surprise and unprepared for power.

But they have to seek power and be seen to seek power then they can shrug and say FF. and Fg didnt want to touch us , what could we do..........
 

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That would be worse than admitting he had Corona Virus.
Great to see the mindset of a Boris Johnson/Brexiteer arse licker.

Back in the pre-2010 period when the decisions were being made by government and financial institutions which bankrupt the country anyone who opposed those decisions were labelled the Ebola virus.

The old mindset does not change just the label.
 

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It's fukin comical.
No , it is the "Comical Ali of FF" , reminds me of the famous Peudo Commander of Saddam Hussein Publicity/Régime spokesman appearing nightly on the Beeb/ITV/SKY when the US/UK invaded Iraq in 2004.He was a comedian in the literal sense of the word , denying everything to the press in the hotel HQ when everyone there could see for themselves.Same applies to FFG etc here.The electorate voted to boot out the stale, formulaic, conservatives and bring in fresh air, fresh blood, fresh thinking, fresh ideas.The culture and world has to evolve and the pre-economic crash thinking caused the crash and the delusion in FF.FF better get with it or they will end up like Labour, small,stale, aged,irrelevant,yesterday's men/women, or is FF there already?
 

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Whether people lie it or not FF and FG are completely within their rights to form a government, all the more so if they can get some other party to make up the numbers - that's democracy and we need to respect that.

If it does happen, though, they will be under a microscope for the next 5 years and will have a high burden of evidence to demonstrate that they delivered "change" - Varadkar left many hostages to fortune during the debates about how much more he wanted to do - almost as off the wall as MLMcD to be honest - so the risk of disappointing people massive.

Being Taoiseach NOW is all MM wants - he won't run in 5 years - so it's really the FG and FF foot soldiers will have to face the nation in 5 or fewer years to justify their time in office. It could be a great 5 years and we could all be looking forward to refreshing the mandate we've given them recently, or it could be an average 5 years with ups and downs, but with many feeling like a change of scenery is LONG overdue and deciding to vote ABFGFF once and for all - GE2025 will be more decisive than this one IMHO.
 

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It’s the most logical and stable solution for the running of the country. For the Greens and FF it makes loads of sense. For FG less so and if it doesn’t happen it’ll be because they balk at it.

politically it definitely makes sense for FG to sit out and let FF/SF collapse though and then go for another vote in a year.Hard choices.
Why the assumption that FF SF would collapse?
Ask someone in a hostel if they want more FF FG stability
 

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Matt Shanahan TD (Ind - Waterford) has denied rumours hes going to join FG.
This never makes sense to me -
He denied a rumour?

When I hear this line of wording from a journalist I always think the journalist is manipulating the report.
 

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Why the assumption that FF SF would collapse?
Everything we've ever seen FF say. Everything we've ever seen SF say or do. Everything we've seen in Greece. Everything we've seen in Italy.

Ask someone in a hostel if they want more FF FG stability
That's an entirely different topic and question.
 

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Hey thanks Mr O Cuiv, I got a new mantra to see me through life "Do not jump the Process" courtesy of Drive time this evening, :geek:
 

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Whether people lie it or not FF and FG are completely within their rights to form a government, all the more so if they can get some other party to make up the numbers - that's democracy and we need to respect that.

If it does happen, though, they will be under a microscope for the next 5 years and will have a high burden of evidence to demonstrate that they delivered "change" - Varadkar left many hostages to fortune during the debates about how much more he wanted to do - almost as off the wall as MLMcD to be honest - so the risk of disappointing people massive.

Being Taoiseach NOW is all MM wants - he won't run in 5 years - so it's really the FG and FF foot soldiers will have to face the nation in 5 or fewer years to justify their time in office. It could be a great 5 years and we could all be looking forward to refreshing the mandate we've given them recently, or it could be an average 5 years with ups and downs, but with many feeling like a change of scenery is LONG overdue and deciding to vote ABFGFF once and for all - GE2025 will be more decisive than this one IMHO.
I agree: If any group or groupings can cobble together the numbers they are perfectly entitled to form a government.

Where FF and FG are, however behaving undemocratically is in point blank refusing to even discuss government options with Sinn Fein if they themselves are unable to form a government. This claim that voters only voted for FFFG on the basis they wouldn't go into coalition with SF is nonsense - in a Democracy you get to vote for who you want in government - you don't get a veto over who should be kept out.

The only outcome that people definitely did vote for is an actual government and if there are options that would allow that then it is the democratic duty of all politicians to engage in that process in good faith to try and get it over the line.
 

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Where FF and FG are, however behaving undemocratically is in point blank refusing to even discuss government options with Sinn Fein if they themselves are unable to form a government.
Would you be satisfied if one or both opened negotiations with SF, spent a week talking in circles and allowed SF to announce that they could not reach agreement? Very democratic but a complete waste of time.
 

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Would you be satisfied if one or both opened negotiations with SF, spent a week talking in circles and allowed SF to announce that they could not reach agreement? Very democratic but a complete waste of time.
Yes - that's democracy. There are no guarantees in any negotiation - I said it was the democratic duty of all politicians to attempt to form a government in good faith. Deciding that a party with 25% of the vote is unfit for Government (which is what FFFG are doing) is the definition of undemocratic behaviour.
 

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Deciding that a party with 25% of the vote is unfit for Government (which is what FFFG are doing) is the definition of undemocratic behaviour.
Both parties told SF to go ahead and form a govt without them which is what SF wanted to do. The fact that SF can't count is not the fault of the other parties, they just said that their policies are incompatible with SF's. Of course, SF may be taking the Marxist approach - "these are my policies, if you don't like them, I have some others"
 

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I agree: If any group or groupings can cobble together the numbers they are perfectly entitled to form a government.

Where FF and FG are, however behaving undemocratically is in point blank refusing to even discuss government options with Sinn Fein if they themselves are unable to form a government. This claim that voters only voted for FFFG on the basis they wouldn't go into coalition with SF is nonsense - in a Democracy you get to vote for who you want in government - you don't get a veto over who should be kept out.

The only outcome that people definitely did vote for is an actual government and if there are options that would allow that then it is the democratic duty of all politicians to engage in that process in good faith to try and get it over the line.
Yes, agree that if FF and FG can’t form a government without SF then it would be wrong for them not to talk to SF. But we’re not at that stage yet, and won’t be imo, they will sort out a government that doesn’t include SF.
 

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Why the assumption that FF SF would collapse?
Ask someone in a hostel if they want more FF FG stability
Look at the utter contempt SF has shown for the Greens and the alphabets. They publicly announced the end of the talks without having the decency first to notify the other parties.

Why would they treat FF any differently?
 


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