So that was #GE2020...so what will the next government look like?

Do you think a second GE is the best way to resolve the government formation impasse?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 64.1%
  • No

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 5.1%

  • Total voters
    39


galteeman

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unfortunately some of the electorate are gullible enough to believe the oul sh1te that Sinn Fein can build houses for €65,000.
They are going to get Tom McFeely to do the job. Sorted.
 

caledhel

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unfortunately some of the electorate are gullible enough to believe the oul sh1te that Sinn Fein can build houses for €65,000.
Actually ... did figure out a way of doing it for something like that. The far left guys infiltrating the sites did their best to spanner it but an example has been produced. It's strange behaviour because they maintain that they're working on behalf of the less privileged but seem intent on grinding production into a go slow. This remark is from extended observation.

Best guess is that these guys want people to be miserable because that's their angle for power and attention - they live off the frustration and vulnerability of people in bad situations. There's definitely ressentiment in there too. They're not insoluble though.

Successful projects unlock work rather than dry it up. If we can pace it for quality, with the technology we have now, we can get timely results.

Getting back to brass tacks, a big difficulty is land availability and an incapacity in the public sector to carry housing delivery through within cost and time perimeters - the ability to produce projects feasibly is very much in private industry if you want it to work.

They're a bit of deal making to be done here that the present minister didn't have the vision (or perhaps the motivation) to tackle. We also did have a capacity problem after the wasting of the industry after the economic collapse. Construction is beginning to bulk up again though.

Also there's a need for higher density housing in the mix that goes beyond family dwellings, especially near urban centres where private transport is less available due to parking and congestion. Haven't figured out that one yet.

We need something like housing associations, perhaps channelled through the building societies or something of the like, that have the sort of professional resources to act on behalf of the owners and get it done on price and on time. A Fianna Fáil/Sinn Féin government is the most likely mix to solve this.

European advisors would be helpful too. There are some good models in existence elsewhere in the other member states.

One other thing, one should be attentive to the feelings of others. It is part of a rounded character to recognise the moments of life others experience and make some allowance for the genuine travails of people as they meet the challenges of life. Courtesy is an essential part of the good life. However, self indulgent petulance must not be allowed to hamper efforts in critical areas and must not be allowed to obstruct progress.

In the case of providing housing we seek to lift stress and exploitation from people's lives and allow them to live more fully without undue and unnecessary burdens. To have families and to follow their interests. In the building of homes I would say that if you're having temperamental problems I see the tragedy of your predicament but must insist that you get out the way.
 

fifilawe

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The cute hoor. Surely it shouldn’t be too hard to work out the sweet nothings TDs want to hear when you want to be Ceann Comhairle. Maybe Naughten knows its all over bar the shouting. Doesn’t it suit Sinn Fein for yer man to stay in place anyway.
Dennis Naughten wants a quick return to the next Dáil and to ensure that , he wants to be An Ceann Comhairle.Genius,he is a fast learner takes after Michael Lowry in a lot of ways.
 

LISTOWEL MAN

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Réada Cronin deleted her social media account so the irish electorate can't look at what she posted

Louise O'Reilly says the "technology doesn't exist" to ever see them again

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Dedogs

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unfortunately some of the electorate are gullible enough to believe the oul sh1te that Sinn Fein can build houses for €65,000.
they didnt say youd build a house for that money did they mate???? shur an eejit wouldnt believe that....
 

Lumpy Talbot

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You could probably trade in the RHI dividend and get a brand new house on Arlene.

'a political scandal in Northern Ireland that centres on a failed renewable energy (wood pellet burning) incentive scheme that has been reported to potentially cost the public purse almost £500 million.[3]

The plan was overseen by Arlene Foster of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), the then-Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Investment, who failed to introduce proper cost controls, allowing the plan to spiral out of control.[3]

The scheme worked by paying applicants to use renewable energy. However, the rate paid was more than the cost of the fuel, and thus many applicants were making profits simply by heating their properties. ' Renewable Heat Incentive scandal - Wikipedia
 

Dame_Enda

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You could probably trade in the RHI dividend and get a brand new house on Arlene.

'a political scandal in Northern Ireland that centres on a failed renewable energy (wood pellet burning) incentive scheme that has been reported to potentially cost the public purse almost £500 million.[3]

The plan was overseen by Arlene Foster of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), the then-Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Investment, who failed to introduce proper cost controls, allowing the plan to spiral out of control.[3]

The scheme worked by paying applicants to use renewable energy. However, the rate paid was more than the cost of the fuel, and thus many applicants were making profits simply by heating their properties. ' Renewable Heat Incentive scandal - Wikipedia
My personal opinion, speaking frankly, is that as with some other successful peace processes, that palms get greased (particularly where ex paramilitaries are concerned) in order to keep the persons concerned out of mischief. I think that goes on a lot with ex (?) Loyalist paramilitaries in particular, who are in some cases now business people.
 

shiel

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We're beginning to get a sense of the make up of the next Dail, but it's far from obvious what this means from a government perspective...it's hard to imagine a government with FG in it or without SF in it, but loads of possible permutations.

Anyone care to opine or suggest their preferred government based on the now likely numbers?
It is now looking even more confused than it was then.

Getting back to the question in the op the answer is that we need another election.
 

galteeman

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Actually ... did figure out a way of doing it for something like that. The far left guys infiltrating the sites did their best to spanner it but an example has been produced. It's strange behaviour because they maintain that they're working on behalf of the less privileged but seem intent on grinding production into a go slow. This remark is from extended observation.

Best guess is that these guys want people to be miserable because that's their angle for power and attention - they live off the frustration and vulnerability of people in bad situations. There's definitely ressentiment in there too. They're not insoluble though.

Successful projects unlock work rather than dry it up. If we can pace it for quality, with the technology we have now, we can get timely results.

Getting back to brass tacks, a big difficulty is land availability and an incapacity in the public sector to carry housing delivery through within cost and time perimeters - the ability to produce projects feasibly is very much in private industry if you want it to work.

They're a bit of deal making to be done here that the present minister didn't have the vision (or perhaps the motivation) to tackle. We also did have a capacity problem after the wasting of the industry after the economic collapse. Construction is beginning to bulk up again though.

Also there's a need for higher density housing in the mix that goes beyond family dwellings, especially near urban centres where private transport is less available due to parking and congestion. Haven't figured out that one yet.

We need something like housing associations, perhaps channelled through the building societies or something of the like, that have the sort of professional resources to act on behalf of the owners and get it done on price and on time. A Fianna Fáil/Sinn Féin government is the most likely mix to solve this.

European advisors would be helpful too. There are some good models in existence elsewhere in the other member states.

One other thing, one should be attentive to the feelings of others. It is part of a rounded character to recognise the moments of life others experience and make some allowance for the genuine travails of people as they meet the challenges of life. Courtesy is an essential part of the good life. However, self indulgent petulance must not be allowed to hamper efforts in critical areas and must not be allowed to obstruct progress.

In the case of providing housing we seek to lift stress and exploitation from people's lives and allow them to live more fully without undue and unnecessary burdens. To have families and to follow their interests. In the building of homes I would say that if you're having temperamental problems I see the tragedy of your predicament but must insist that you get out the way.
We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….
 

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:)
 

shiel

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We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.

Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost….
The basic ethic of our religion is love of neighbour.

But there is too much of the opposite - arrogance will get you everywhere.
 

Uganda

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they didnt say youd build a house for that money did they mate???? shur an eejit wouldnt believe that....
do the math. Mate.

divide the number of houses into the cost and hey presto, €65k a house. Mate.
 

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Is the 20/1 for a FF/FG/Ind coalition a little on the generous side? I agree the Greens are keen to go into government but they may find it too unappetizing in the final analysis. There are enough independents to get a FF/FG alliance across the line albeit longevity might be in question. Of the 21 others, take out Aontu and the 3 far left plus possibly Carol Nolan and Michael Collins and you're left with 15 of whom 11 are FF or FG gene pool, Harkin and Fitzmaurice aren't too dissimilar and Berry & McNamara who both voted for MM midweek. They need a minimum of 8 but more likely 12-13 for stability.
 

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There were also rumours on Thursday of FG approaching Peter Fitzpatrick and Dennis Naughten to rejoin the party in the next few weeks. That would make it a 3-way tie on 37 seats each (excluding CC) and in due course I think Verona Murphy and maybe even Matt Shanahan will rejoin. FG could get finish this Dail as the biggest party!
 

galteeman

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The basic ethic of our religion is love of neighbour.

But there is too much of the opposite - arrogance will get you everywhere.
 


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