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SocDem millionaire?

Breanainn

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JCR

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Builders own politics in Ireland shocker. What else would anyone possibly expect?

That should keep them quiet about housing and keep them quiet about the rent allowance increase. Quick throw Catherine Murphy a DOB bone, keep her busy.
 

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Today we learn that the chairman of the Grafton Group has been funding the election campaigns of Social Democrat candidates, even if, at €21,000, the sums involved are dwarfed by those pumped into the larger parties. Still, given the founders' stated interest in Obama-style micro-funding, the story will prove an embarrassment to the SDs:

One of the country's wealthiest businessmen has been funding the Social Democrats - Independent.ie
I'm a fan of the SocDem's, Catherine Murphy in particular. She has upset the establishment by continuing to ask questions on some seventeen occasions in the most appropriate forum, inaccessible to us, Dail Eireann, in reference to Siteserv, IBRC, etc. before they were answered. The SocDem's deserve support and funding from all quarters. Records today are transparent - 21K is insignificant in relation to funding acquired by FF via the Galway Tent, etc.

I will remain a Soc Dem supporter and I hope they continue to make their mark in Leinster House, going from strength to strength.
 

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I'm a fan of the SocDem's, Catherine Murphy in particular. She has upset the establishment by continuing to ask questions on some seventeen occasions in the most appropriate forum, inaccessible to us, Dail Eireann, in reference to Siteserv, IBRC, etc. before they were answered. The SocDem's deserve support and funding from all quarters. Records today are transparent - 21K is insignificant in relation to funding acquired by FF via the Galway Tent, etc.

I will remain a Soc Dem supporter and I hope they continue to make their mark in Leinster House, going from strength to strength.
Its good the political parties have supporters that ignore the buying of influence from business, particularly, builders, they're great. Keeps everything ticking over nicely.
 

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Damn , im rumbled !

:D
 

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Its only important if rich builders support Fianna Fail
 

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Builders own politics in Ireland shocker. What else would anyone possibly expect?

That should keep them quiet about housing and keep them quiet about the rent allowance increase. Quick throw Catherine Murphy a DOB bone, keep her busy.

Yep, €21,000 to help set up a party that they didn't need to set up (they were high profile independents), will shut them up and buy them off.

Not.

Mother of Christ
 

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Builders own politics in Ireland shocker. What else would anyone possibly expect?

That should keep them quiet about housing and keep them quiet about the rent allowance increase. Quick throw Catherine Murphy a DOB bone, keep her busy.
But don't you know the SocDems are different compared to the other parties when It comes to been bought off.
 

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Today we learn that the chairman of the Grafton Group has been funding the election campaigns of Social Democrat candidates, even if, at €21,000, the sums involved are dwarfed by those pumped into the larger parties. Still, given the founders' stated interest in Obama-style micro-funding, the story will prove an embarrassment to the SDs:

One of the country's wealthiest businessmen has been funding the Social Democrats - Independent.ie
FF wouldn't even put up the tent for that amount. Not one peg would be driven in
 

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FF wouldn't even put up the tent for that amount. Not one peg would be driven in
Of course, the Sindo undoubtedly have a dog in this fight, given both Siteserv, and the rubbishing of their Labour stories in recent weeks, but still worth a mention in terms of literally following the money.
 

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Yep, €21,000 to help set up a party that they didn't need to set up (they were high profile independents), will shut them up and buy them off.

Not.

Mother of Christ
This attitude is why the builders are laughing at the Irish people. I believe there is a joke on you in this department, I'm not surprised. You seem naive.
 

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Yep, they published the info above what's legally required. So is the story that they're being transparent, or that they shouldn't accept donations?
 

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Last week this journalist misrepresented that Donnelly was in coalition talks with labour. Did he lose out in the sweepstake to condemn non-Denis O'Brien approved political parties?
 

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Its only important if rich builders support Fianna Fail
So, let me get this.

"Old politics" is Fianna Fáil taking money from those associated with the building industry.

"New politics" is Soc Dems taking money from those associated with the building industry.

Hmm.
 

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This attitude is why the builders are laughing at the Irish people. I believe there is a joke on you in this department, I'm not surprised. You seem naive.
Some builders are 'laughing at the Irish people'. They are the ones we bailed out as taxpayers.

Many smaller building contractors and sub-contractors were put out of business and unable to continue, some forced to emigrate.
Those (big) builders laughing at us are not alone, sadly.
They are sat alongside 'retired' politicians such as Ahern and Cowen;
and bankers who allowed for the situation develop which was unsustainable, Fingleton, Fitzpatrick et al.
Don't forget to mention the Regulator who was rewarded instead of being punished for not doing his job.
And of course the bondholders who were never going to lose in the Irish market.
But, we all know that.

Politicians from established parties let them get away with it.

Catherine Murphy exposed the Siteserv fiasco for what it was.
Fancy having a Minister (of Environment) attend a high level meeting at which there are no minutes taken.
Ah sure it might have been at Druid's Glen - pen and paper not to hand.


Mr Drury said a private meeting had taken place between Mr Cowen and the other banking figures present.

Mr Cowen’s testimony to the probe stated that everything was done in “public view” at Druids Glen.

At the private meeting with Mr Cowen were Mr Drury; Seán FitzPatrick; former Anglo director and then Smurfit Kappa chief executive Gary McGann; and economist Alan Gray, who was a director of the Central Bank.

Mr Drury, Mr Cowen, and Mr FitzPatrick then played golf and had dinner. The situation at Anglo was never mentioned once that day, Mr Drury said.

Gannon is believed to be close to exiting NAMA, as is Sean Mulryan, and another big name of the past, Johnny Ronan. Mr Ronan and business partner Richard Barrett, through their Treasury Holdings, built the likes of the Convention Centre Dublin, Central Park in Leopardstown, and Montevetro - the biggest single office block in the country.

Recently Mr Ronan was part of a consortium that bought a prime development site beside the Burlington Hotel for €40.5m, w
hile he has also been eyeing the soon to be for sale Dundrum Town Centre.

Bernard McNamara may have overpaid when he and his partners paid €412m for the old Irish Glass site in Ringsend in 2006 - it has yet to be built on - or when his team handed over €288m for the Burlington Hotel (sold two years ago for €67m). But after a spell in bankruptcy, the McNamara construction name is back in public.

The firm is involved in constructing a new office block on Stephen's Green. The site is owned by businessman Denis O'Brien
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/anglo-did-not-come-up-on-golf-course-345559.htmlhttp://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/new-names-vie-with-old-hands-as-developers-back-in-game-30765161.html
 

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So, let me get this.

"Old politics" is Fianna Fáil taking money from those associated with the building industry.

"New politics" is Soc Dems taking money from those associated with the building industry.

Hmm.
Old politics is FF and FG controlled councils zoning vast swathes of lands that should never have been zoned like in flood plains and lobbying for dodgy planning decisions, or generally lobbying on behalf of private profit against the public interest. Should the SocDems turn down donations from individuals in the building sector, possibly, but only if the same applies to all parties.
 

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Here's an idea for the SD's, why not set up a tent at the races to entertain all their larger industrial donors...
 

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Old politics is FF and FG controlled councils zoning vast swathes of lands that should never have been zoned like in flood plains and lobbying for dodgy planning decisions, or generally lobbying on behalf of private profit against the public interest. Should the SocDems turn down donations from individuals in the building sector, possibly, but only if the same applies to all parties.
So if the others do it its all ok for the Soc dems?

True agents for change so.
 


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