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Social welfare at risk?

anewbeginning

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Just watching Vincent Browne now.. He keeps mentioning that the social welfare fund is about to collapse...does anyone know any more?

I'm not on social welfare myself, but I am just wondering what are the implications for the country? Will that mean even more borrowing?

It just gets worse and worse.
 


anewbeginning

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They said on the show at the current rate it would be bust by the end of 2009...I am assuming thats a best case scenario like most government estimates these days, and in reality it will be out of funds by late Summer...what then?? borrow again?

Surely we can't keep borrowing? If we end up 100 billion, 200 billion in debt, does it mean the country will officially become a basket case.

I just don't understand how the country is broke and yet there are still golden handshakes for the big boys in politics and the wider public sector. It's like stealing the China on the Titanic before it sinks, these people have no class, morals, principles or patriotism. Get as much money as possible out of the state before it goes under seems to be the goal.
 

atlantic

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They will have to try and get it off the taxpayer or the Bond market Ponzi scheme
 

stewiegriffin

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You certainly dont want to be upsetting the 'underclass ' at this juncture in history. It will have to be borrowed.
 

kerrynorth

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You certainly dont want to be upsetting the 'underclass ' at this juncture in history. It will have to be borrowed.
And who exactly going to be lending it to us?
 

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Social welfare is running at 20 billion plus. It needs slashed. The dole here is four times the Northern equivalent. I know some genuinely needy people will be hurt, but that gap has to be closed.
I'm not saying the tax-dodging gombeen kleptocracy shouldn't be paying too. I fervently hope to see property tax loops closed, stud farms taxed, a third tax band for higher earners and jail for corrupt politicians and bankers.
But I am also saying that we have an unsustainable social welfare bill, and we need to be thinking of firstly eradicating nonsenses like paying for kids in Poland, secondly reducing the welfare rates to a more affordable level and thirdly capping the time one can spend in receipt of the dole.
It is, after all, intended to be a support measure for those who find themselves without employment. The idea is that you use it to support yourself while seeking work. It was never intended to be a lifestyle choice for an underclass.
 

stewiegriffin

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But what are the other social provisions like in the UK ? I heard that social housing and health are better . Is that true ?
Cos if people only had a roof over their head , they would be less demanding on the state .imo.Im thinkin mainly of people on rent allowance , feeding private landlords.
 

JCSkinner

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But what are the other social provisions like in the UK ? I heard that social housing and health are better . Is that true ?
Cos if people only had a roof over there head , they would be less demanding on the state .imo.
The NHS, while flawed, is indeed superior and obviously cheaper. The UK will be looking at that in the near future with the intention of enforcing residency requirements for treatment initially and eventually introducing a raft of charging mechanisms to balance the books.
Social housing is more prevalent in some areas. But it is of course irrelevant to compare our infrastructure with Britain's. They've had motorways for fifty years and we still haven't completed our network or near it. London's had an underground for 150 years and we don't even have a train line to the airport in Dublin.
The issue of social welfare payments can only be related to relative cost of living. The cost of living in Ireland is NOT four times the cost of living in the North. That's why the gap ought to be closed.
But the reason why it MUST be closed is because we simply can't afford to pay it any longer.
 

atlantic

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No ,I know some boyos that are living by themselves in private estates,all paid for by the taxpayer,while they go on the piss everyday.
Can people get housing ? Or do you have to have some kids for that?
 

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atlantic

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The social welfare shafting that goes on in this country is savage.I had guy working for me ,had to let him go.He's shacked up with a girl who has a child ,he gets the rockin roll,she get unmarried mothers,live in a new house on a private estate,all paid by the taxpayer.He says he'll never work again the state will look after him,life is great.
 

stewiegriffin

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Frankly its mental imo . And i am on the 'rock n roll' . Its just a one size fits all solution . The fact is many of us could study or work or whatever , but the way things are run, means that its handier on the dole. Now people may say 'stewie , your smart ,handsome,etc, stop whingin , do a course ' and shut up . The thing is I dont like students and I dont like manual labor . End of.
 

atlantic

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It is handier,but its a massive drain on a countries resources,and welfare creates poverty,ghettos,dependency , government inflation,envy etc.
 

stewiegriffin

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well i cant argue against that . Social welfare like many areas of government is just not functioning correctly . Its a gravy train ,and im not talking about the people signing at the hatches .Im more talking about the numerous quangoes associated with unemployment ,ie FAS , various 'community centres' jobs for the boys,that kinda thing .
 


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