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Social Welfare - the last barrier to a Liberal Ireland


Foghorn

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland. There have been many posts on this website. The important principle is non-interference and this is leading towards gay marriage, gay adoption, abortion and perhaps in time to euthanasia, assisted suicide and so on. But one item that is absent from the agenda is the issue of economics. It seems to me to a glaring oversight. There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.

We need to move on from the thinking of the past. We need a modern Ireland. The old Ireland had social welfare as a cornerstone. We need to have a respectful conversation about ending this. Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
 

sauntersplash

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Liberal or libertarian? Socially liberal or economically liberal?
 

corporal punishment

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So gay marraige eventually leads to euthanasia. I see.
 

Politics matters

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The US has a social welfare sytem, it's called the Industrial military complex. What the european government spends on social welfare, the yanks spend on waging wars. As a result taxes are just as high, unless your a member of the 1%, if you are you get huge tax breaks.
 

Politics matters

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Market forces will take care of that with no wastage. I remember seeing a documentary about it a few years back, I think Charlton Heston was the narrator.
So you mean the minimum wage would be abolished? Look we tryed this way of thinking for many years, it led to the rise of marxism, is that really what you want?
 

YouKnowWhatIMeanLike

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland. There have been many posts on this website. The important principle is non-interference and this is leading towards gay marriage, gay adoption, abortion and perhaps in time to euthanasia, assisted suicide and so on. But one item that is absent from the agenda is the issue of economics. It seems to me to a glaring oversight. There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.

We need to move on from the thinking of the past. We need a modern Ireland. The old Ireland had social welfare as a cornerstone. We need to have a respectful conversation about ending this. Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
how much do you make these days on basic social welfare?
 

Ren84

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Confusing liberalism with libertarianism I see.
 

Kitty O'Shea

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here's a idea that'd be right up your alley.
"For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public"

By Jonathan Swift (1729)
Jonathan Swift - A Modest Proposal
 

Mossy Heneberry

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The social welfare definately needs reforming. I most certainly who not advocate getting rid of it completely.

We need to have a system where one cannot sign on and remain signed on for the rest of their lives.
 

Ribeye

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Ukip
 

YouKnowWhatIMeanLike

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The social welfare definately needs reforming. I most certainly who not advocate getting rid of it completely.

We need to have a system where one cannot sign on and remain signed on for the rest of their lives.

depends on who pays for it. you can look at it as a social dividend. €188 a week. I am sure Higgins would like this idea.
 

Kevin Doyle

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland.
Calls by who? And why hasn't it resulted in a party advocating libertarian economic policies such as eliminating welfare sweeping to power?

There have been many posts on this website.
And?


There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.
And those who can't get work? I don't think they mind this particular instance of having their individual rights infringed :)lol: :lol: -sorry) if it means putting food on the table.

Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.
yip, and shocking poverty

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
Yawn
 

Analyzer

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I think we have a broad movement towards liberalism in this country that is unstoppable, committed and which will ultimately run over every other option.

And then when the results become clear......we will never want it again.

This is inevitable. People have to find out first.
 

bonkers

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland. There have been many posts on this website. The important principle is non-interference and this is leading towards gay marriage, gay adoption, abortion and perhaps in time to euthanasia, assisted suicide and so on. But one item that is absent from the agenda is the issue of economics. It seems to me to a glaring oversight. There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.

We need to move on from the thinking of the past. We need a modern Ireland. The old Ireland had social welfare as a cornerstone. We need to have a respectful conversation about ending this. Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
Who came up with the idea of giving broadband to the inmates of Dundrum? Someone should be held accountable for this.
 

BlackLion

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland. There have been many posts on this website. The important principle is non-interference and this is leading towards gay marriage, gay adoption, abortion and perhaps in time to euthanasia, assisted suicide and so on. But one item that is absent from the agenda is the issue of economics. It seems to me to a glaring oversight. There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.

We need to move on from the thinking of the past. We need a modern Ireland. The old Ireland had social welfare as a cornerstone. We need to have a respectful conversation about ending this. Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
Liberal as a strangler curing his viticms of the disease of life.
 

chriskavo

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There have been many calls over the years for a liberal Ireland. There have been many posts on this website. The important principle is non-interference and this is leading towards gay marriage, gay adoption, abortion and perhaps in time to euthanasia, assisted suicide and so on. But one item that is absent from the agenda is the issue of economics. It seems to me to a glaring oversight. There is no way that a truly liberal country can support Social Welfare. It is an intolerable infringement by government into the rights of individuals.

We need to move on from the thinking of the past. We need a modern Ireland. The old Ireland had social welfare as a cornerstone. We need to have a respectful conversation about ending this. Look at the USA and how liberal they are in comparison and there is very little in the way of social welfare.

The amount spent is enormous and for what? So we can keep unemployed people unemployed? What are the unemployedd contributing to the country? Let's maximize wealth by those who work for the country and who will secure its way out of debt. Let's end this intolerable interference by government. Let's maximize people's choices by securing the means to maximize them. And let us attain the highest level of liberalism, where there is no government interference in the private property rights of our citizens.
Agreed, and when we get euthanazia in you can help the depressed unemployed to cease existing.

The added bonus being that they will feel better knowing that they at least contributed to a more functional society with their demise.
 
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