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Socialist paradise Venezuela can't even keep the lights on.

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You're missing the point.

It doesn't take a genius or supercomputer to set the initial price of one good or a small number of related goods, and changing it as demand rises and falls; kids working at trading stalls have been doing that for centuries. What I'm talking about is the *fixing* by a civil servant of the prices of *all* goods and services. No one or no thing can make such judgements or predictions.

That's why a 'command economy' will always fail.
It takes quite a bit of computing power to set the price of something like an iphone.
 


making waves

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The socialist party PRO by the looks off it needs a trip to big house
The Socialist Party of Great Britain is a tiny grouplet in the UK that comprises of nothing more than a website, a facebook page and a twitter account. It spends most of its time attacking the Socialist Party of England and Wales which is the sister party of the Socialist Party in Ireland.

(and you are right about the need for a trip to the big house)
 

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The Socialist Party of Great Britain is a tiny grouplet in the UK that comprises of nothing more than a website, a facebook page and a twitter account. It spends most of its time attacking the Socialist Party of England and Wales which is the sister party of the Socialist Party in Ireland.

(and you are right about the need for a trip to the big house)

Not 'real' Socialism!!!:lol:

'One day' it will be tried....:lol:
 

making waves

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Not at all. The focus is in building the military and industrial might of the nation - and keeping the gender benders in their box.
Of course you need military might to enforce your moral code on the rest of the population - you wouldn't be a Stalinist if your didn't.
 

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It depends on what your priority is.
If your priority is removing inequality then throw out the machines and get people doing the work manually and accept that everyone will be poorer but more equal.

Getting work done by machines has certainly increased inequality, but it has made every section of society more wealthy as well.

Remove the incentive for individuals to innovate and risk take to make up ways of automating work and that additional automation will not occur and we will all be poorer in the long run. Although certainly inequality will be reduced if thats your priority.
 

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It depends on what your priority is.
If your priority is removing inequality then throw out the machines and get people doing the work manually and accept that everyone will be poorer but more equal.

Getting work done by machines has certainly increased inequality, but it has made every section of society more wealthy as well.

Remove the incentive for individuals to innovate and risk take to make up ways of automating work and that additional automation will not occur and we will all be poorer in the long run. Although certainly inequality will be reduced if thats your priority.
Not so. The Soviet Union made great advances in technology. Just think of the Kalashnikov rifle. Mikhail Kalashnikov was rewarded for his ingenious invention by promotion in the Red Army. He eventually became a general. He was hailed by his people as a great Patriot who gave them strength in battle. What is money compared to such honour? Petty little men may prefer money, but they really have nothing to offer society. Look at the likes of Zuckerberg or Bezos. They have the mentality of criminals. They are hated by their people - and ever other people. More rats than men. Steve Jobs was more like Kalshnikov. He was doing his thing in a garage, and would have done it with or without money - so it would be false to say he was motivated by money. Of course, you need enough to live on and continue your work, but that's all that really great men and women need.
 
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No End in Sight to Venezuela’s Blackout, Experts Warn
No End in Sight to Venezuela’s Blackout, Experts Warn

Sunday was the fourth day since Venezuela’s power system went down, plunging most of the country, including Caracas, the capital, into sporadic darkness and dampening hopes of imminent resolution to a devastating blackout that has brought the country to the verge of social implosion.....

On Thursday, the San Geronimo B substation in the center of the country, which supplies electricity to four out of five Venezuelans from the massive Guri hydropower plant, went down. No date has been set to restart the plant and most workers were told to stay home on Monday.....

Mr. Aguilar, who consults reinsurance companies on Venezuela’s power sector, said the government has tried to restart Guri four times since the start of the blackout on Thursday.The latest attempt led to the explosion of a secondary substation near Guri on Saturday.
“Every time they attempt to restart, they fail and the disruption breaks something else in the system, destabilizing the grid yet further,” Mr. Aguilar said. [My emphasis]

Sounds serious - even terminal!
 

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And also
Restarting the turbines requires skilled operators who can synchronize the speed of rotation on as many as nine of Guri’s operational turbines. Experts said the most experienced operators had long left the company because of meager wages and an atmosphere of paranoia fed by Mr. Maduro’s ever-present secret police.

The most experienced engineers and technicians left long ago - partly because they could afford the flights out and they had the skills needed to get good jobs elsewhere. Now the poor are walking hundreds of miles to emigrate - because they don't have money for flights and in any case few airlines service Venezuela anymore. But most of all Venezuela needs the most skilled professionals now to try to rectify this disaster - but those are precisely the ones the Government alienated with their socialist ideology and policies!
 

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It's a complete shit-show and a calamity for Venezuelans.
 

Macroom1

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It's a complete shit-show and a calamity for Venezuelans.
US pulls all staff from Venezuela as Maduro blames blackout on 'demonic' Trump plot
US pulls all staff from Venezuela as Maduro blames blackout on 'demonic' Trump plot
In a televised nationwide address, leader says White House ‘ordered this attack’ and calls on public to mount ‘active resistance’ ........

Dimitris Pantoulas, a Caracas-based political analyst, said Maduro had appeared “worried, anxious and absolutely desperate” in his Monday night broadcast, suggesting the situation was dire. “It is clear, from what he said, that the government does not control the situation (nobody does) and they do not have any plan or strategy,” Pantoulas tweeted.

This is the kind of thing I expected in South Africa first. And in fact they have had a number of power cuts in SA recently - most of them planned because they couldn't generate enough power to meet demand BUT even one of the planned ones went to Stage 4 (the highest) when they only announced Stage 2.

Same background. Gross corruption leading to lack of essential maintenance because the money was pocketed by politicians for years OR doled out to win votes instead of the non-sexy maintenance work. Also white engineers in SA are emigrating because of Black Economic Empowerment (no promotions for whites). In Venezuela it's class hatred aimed at the rich, in SA racial hatred, but it both cases the highly trained professionals are departing.
 

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This is the opposition Caracas Chronicles speculating - 2 days ago- on how the blackout started last Thursday
Nationwide Blackout in Venezuela: FAQ
Nationwide Blackout in Venezuela: FAQ | Caracas Chronicles

This particular corridor carries three 765 kV (kilovolts) power lines, which are the largest and most important lines of the country. One of these lines, apparently the one between San Geronimo B and Malena, went out and overloaded the other two, so all three died. When all of a sudden the lines went off and power wasn’t getting through,...: the water wheels started to spin out of control (in the industry we call this scenario a “load rejection”). Protections systems kicked in and the turbines shut themselves off, hopefully with no damage. [my emphasis]
ALSO
The engineers suspect that the overheat alarm was triggered by a forest fire. It is mandatory to keep vegetation trimmed under and around power lines, to avoid the risk of this kind of events. Anyone that has driven by the countryside and under these large power lines would see there’s a corridor under the lines. These corridors haven’t been maintained in years and there is a very hot summer going on. In a tropical country, this means the bushes can cover a line very fast.

Trimming vegetation under and near power lines is not a high-tech job so everything is going to pot in Venezuela if they weren't doing that. Also it looks like the turbines have suffered damage because they haven't been able to restore power for 5 days now.
 

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The itch of political violence is one that collectivists rarely seem capable of not scratching. Here we go again. Violence and misery are always part of the end game for this guff. Irish people would do well to notice and remember where Sinn Fein is amongst all of this.
 


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