Socialist Spending by Fianna Fáil Ruined Irelands Economy - Irish Independant

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Bruce Arnold in today’s Irish Independent sums up correctly where it all went wrong for Fianna Fáil and Ireland.

Then, in July 2004, Bertie Ahern got rid of him. Charlie McCreevy went to Brussels without enthusiasm, not even knowing what job he would be doing. Brussels was remote from all that he held dear.
Fianna Fail's socialist era followed. Cowen's approach was "more caring, more socialist". Ahern claimed he was as good a socialist as the next man. Teflon man, who has never declared himself morally or spiritually in favour of any kind of political philosophy, took a principled position on behalf of the common man and was really the only socialist in Ireland. Economically it meant, 'Let everything rip!' It was this that saw the party storm back in 2007, led more by the aggressive performance of Brian Cowen than by Bertie Ahern.
On the economy he faced Richard Bruton who condemned him for allowing public spending to grow greatly in excess of economic growth.
Bruce Arnold: Rainbow coalition legacy now utterly demolished - Analysis & Overview, The Budget - Independent.ie

Anyone who tries to question that Fianna Fáil have been anything but a socialist party gone mad has to be a left wing extremist.

We have the highest rate of dole in Europe (AKA Jobseekers Allowance), the 2nd highest paid medical staff in Europe, the 2nd highest funded per capita health service in Europe, our civil servants are paid 30% more than their UK counterparts.


Yesterday saw the introduction of tax changes that will now see Taxpayers forking out over 52% of earnings, while our socialist state remains largely untouched, and not a mention of civil service pay cuts in sight.

Our only hope of stemming this spiralling insanity of tax and spend is by having an economically right-wing party in power who is willing to stand up for the Irish taxpayers who are being mugged at every opportunity.

Looking at the above and realising that it was socialist spending that has us in this mess would anyone who has contemplated voting for Labour and Sinn Féin, who propose even higher taxes, now wake up and realise they will add to this mess and not solve it?
 
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Giving money to bankers, developers, spivs and speculators is not 'socialist' - and Arnold is doing nothing more than a bit of trolling in that paradigm of virtue - the Indo
 

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Bruce Arnold in today’s Irish Independent sums up correctly where it all went wrong for Fianna Fáil and Ireland.





Bruce Arnold: Rainbow coalition legacy now utterly demolished - Analysis & Overview, The Budget - Independent.ie

Anyone who tries to question that Fianna Fáil have been anything but a socialist party gone mad has to be a left wing extremist.

We have the highest rate of dole in Europe (AKA Jobseekers Allowance), the 2nd highest paid medical staff in Europe, the 2nd highest funded per capita health service in Europe, our civil servants are paid 30% more than their UK counterparts.


Yesterday saw the introduction of tax changes that will now see Taxpayers forking out over 52% of earnings, while our socialist state remains largely untouched, and not a mention of civil service pay cuts in sight.

Our only hope of stemming this spiralling insanity of tax and spend is by having an economically right-wing party in power who is willing to stand up for the Irish taxpayers who are being mugged at every opportunity.

Looking at the above and realising that it was socialist spending that has us in this mess would anyone who has contemplated voting for Labour and Sinn Féin, who propose even higher taxes, now wake up and realise they will add to this mess and not solve it?
people have been conditioned by our liberal media into thinking the goverments we,ve had this past thirteen years have been right wing yet thier is absolutley no evidence to back up this claim and a tonne to the contary
 

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Christ almighty. Booms and busts are built into the system, doesn't matter how socialist or how free market your government is. Doesn't matter how well regulated the finance sector is. Doesn't matter how much you reform.

Implement all the economically right-wing policies ya like, it doesn't matter a sh*te. There'll be more booms and there will certainly be more busts. Economic and political power will continue to be concentrated and the underclass will continue to grow. Doesn't matter what the government does.
 
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Compare how much of our debt is due to defecit spending to how mouch of it is down to the banks. The Indo is a rag.
 

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people have been conditioned by our liberal media into thinking the goverments we,ve had this past thirteen years have been right wing yet thier is absolutley no evidence to back up this claim and a tonne to the contary
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Thankfully someone of Bruce Arnolds standing is finally highlighting this.
 

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'Independent' ffs - no wonder the country is unable to maintain that state when people can't even spell it.
 

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Yes socialism has ruined the economy but its main form was the socialization of the banking losses.

I would be a free market type of guy but ultimately capitalism is about putting capital at risk. The minute you break that chain by telling some that your capital isnt really at risk you have a major problem.

FF are not left or right wing they are a populist party who came into power corrupted and got steadily worse as the years progressed.

Berties pandering to the likes of Fr Sean Healy and his likes has indeed left us with a massive day to day spending problem that of course should never be repeated.

We need to educate people to understand that your ultimate goal in life should be to never rely on the state for putting bread on the table. There are many in this state who get free houses, medical cards etc etc but its ultimately a poverty traps that sustains dependence on the state.
 

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Don't ye just love the way the right wingers try to blame it all on socialist/liberal agenda's.

There was no socialism involved until we gave the blanket gaurantee.

Mazzington above is right above. Economic cycles are just that. Cycles!

The object should be that you use the rewards from a bust to improve society not just FF and their cronies lifestyles so when the bust comes society is better equipped to deal with it, take it in it's stride and recover. You can't do that by adopting a scorched earth policy alá FF/ECB approach.

It's a cycle dummy.
 

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He's right but it sure as sh1t is not socialism!!! Unregulated banks running wild, the entire economy focussed on private gain from construction, the ongoing privatisation in a 2-tier health care system.
 

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This is a stupid thread delivered by a wind-up merchant to annoy people who identify directly with a particular word, namely socialist.

The OP (with a stupid US-based handle that means nothing in Ireland) hates the word socialist so he associates it with something everybody hates, namely Fianna Fail.

When will people get over the childish identities of socialist, capitalist, blah blah blah. Scumbags will always lie and steal to enrich themselves and it doesn't matter a jot what they call themselves or even what other people call them. Without an informed populace and transparent systems of true democracy, this will continue.
 

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Posters who describe the MaFFia's bailing out of millionaire/billionaire property developers/bankers/etc as socialism are dribbling self-harming border-psychotic loons best avoided by thoughtful intelligent posters of all political stripes, be they left or right wing. I will not be responding to them further.
 
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Posters who describe the MaFFia's bailing out of millionaire/billionaire property developers/bankers/etc as socialism are dribbling self-harming border-psychotic loons best avoided by thoughtful intelligent posters of all political stripes, be they left or right wing. I will not be responding to them further.
Here here.
 

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Posters who describe the MaFFia's bailing out of millionaire/billionaire property developers/bankers/etc as socialism are dribbling self-harming border-psychotic loons best avoided by thoughtful intelligent posters of all political stripes, be they left or right wing. I will not be responding to them further.
They socialised the debts of Irish banks and Foreigh Bondholders, not strictly Marxism i'll grant ye but you get the drift
 

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Posters who describe the MaFFia's bailing out of millionaire/billionaire property developers/bankers/etc as socialism are dribbling self-harming border-psychotic loons best avoided by thoughtful intelligent posters of all political stripes, be they left or right wing. I will not be responding to them further.
I never mentioned the bailout of the banks or the developers which should never have happened. Taxpayers money should never be used to bail out private sector losses.

However any of this still does not negate that Fianna Fáil have introduced the highest level of socailist spending this state has ever seen. The result of which is one of the major factors along with the banks and developers for the mess we are in today.

As this spending is a fact and indefensible I notice how you resorted to name calling in order to try to deflect attention from it.
 

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it's the old cliche we've heard a lot in recent years - Socialism for the Rich, Capitalism for the Poor
 

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We increased the minimum wage, children's allowance, social welfare and PS salaries to a degree unheard of in most European countries, all funded by property taxes.

Yes indeed, it did have many elements of socialism.
 
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Utterly ridiculous to suggest that Fianna Fáil engaged in socialist spending. Tax breaks for the rich, tax breaks for developers, little or no financial regulation, biggest rich and poor divide in europe (and among the highest in the world), increasingly privatised health sector, largest increase in applications for social housing was between 2002 and 2008 (as vast amounts of people were priced out of buying a home). Sure there were increases in social welfare and base wage rates but inflation went up, cost of living etc but when compared to those who gained most from the period, no-one could really call it socialism.

It would take a right-wing hack like TPP to suggest it. Bruce Arnold however is of a different league. I find it amazing that he suggests it was 'socialism', when he himself commented on "Brian Cowen's prudence" in 2007 (4th paragraph down)??
 


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