Socialist Voice, November edition.

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Socialist Voice, December edition.

Starting this month I will publish every monthly edition of the Communist Party paper 'Socialist Voice'. Cite the article you'd like to issue a response to and I'd be happy to discuss with anybody regarding said article or even ask the authors themselves to do so.

Thanks and give it a read, they are very thought provoking.

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Link to December edition.

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Starting this month I will publish every monthly edition of the Communist Party paper 'Socialist Voice'. Cite the article you'd like to issue a response to and I'd be happy to discuss with anybody regarding said article or even ask the authors themselves to do so.

Thanks and give it a read, they are very thought provoking.

Communist Party of Ireland

Isn't (or was it not until some years ago) the Socialist Party newspaper called Socialist Voice also? *Shudders at the absence of creativity on the far-left*.
 

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Isn't (or was it not until some years ago) the Socialist Party newspaper called Socialist Voice also? *Shudders at the absence of creativity on the far-left*.
If so they nicked the name from the CPI- their Southern paper has been called Socialist Voice unto the ages of ages. The CPI have a lot of interest to say even if Kommunist here can be extremely silly at times.
 

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If so they nicked the name from the CPI- their Southern paper has been called Socialist Voice unto the ages of ages. The CPI have a lot of interest to say even if Kommunist here can be extremely silly at times.
I tend to take online anonymous discussions less seriously in general considering the den of vipers politics.ie is. I think it has been the SV since before the SP even existed however.
 

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I tend to take online anonymous discussions less seriously in general considering the den of vipers politics.ie is. I think it has been the SV since before the SP even existed however.
It was Socialist Voice when the Socialist Party were The Militant Tendency in the Irish Labour Party- that is a fact.
 

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Oh really? Interesting, though the militant tendency was not a registered political party.
 

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Oh really? Interesting, though the militant tendency was not a registered political party.
The CWI is the CWI- though they had a split which led in Ireland to the minority schism which calls itself the International Marxist Tendency and is more "reformist" getting involved with the IRSP of all people! :shock: But that didnt work out...
 

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The CWI is the CWI- though they had a split which led in Ireland to the minority schism which calls itself the International Marxist Tendency and is more "reformist" getting involved with the IRSP of all people! :shock: But that didnt work out...
Again - factually incorrect
 

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My Socialism has started to wane in recent years. Think it must be part of the ageing process. Whilst continuing to oppose laissez faire capitalist and multinational corporate greed, I've come to the conclusion that human nature is essentially selfish, competitive and egotistical, and that is fundamentally why Communism in the east became a failed ideological experiment, and has been supplanted with western style capitalism.

As regards Ireland, unification won't necessarily bring the 32 county Socialist republic desired by Socialist Republicans. In all probability, a continuation of the socioeconomic status quo is a more realistic forecast.



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Also, I'd prefer not to discuss the Trots on this page. I don't entirely care about their history. They can make their own threads / posts if they desire.

Thank you.

'As regards Ireland, unification won't necessarily bring the 32 county Socialist republic desired by Socialist Republicans. In all probability, a continuation of the status quo is a more realistic forecast.'

Would you consider that a 32 county 'republic' in the sense of the 26 counties we have now will make organizing a cross-Ireland political movement capable of delivering Socialism?

In this case we no longer have the direct force of the British security apparatus, for example.
 

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factually incorrect
Meh, you argue the moon is made of blue cheese if your Party leaders told you to, which is why Trot groups attract so many twisted people....

https://libcom.org/forums/news/triggers-socialist-justice-party-sexual-assault-scandal-26052014

https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/579gkk/why_are_so_many_sections_of_the_cwi_involved_in/

There are huge differences in world view between the CPI and I however they are good people that seek a just, ordered and productive existence for all our people.
 

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As regards Ireland, unification won't necessarily bring the 32 county Socialist republic desired by Socialist Republicans. In all probability, a continuation of the status quo is a more realistic forecast.



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If we get a united Ireland it probably won't be a Republic. We will have to drop that aspiration to please the Unionists. We shouldn't have to (and before any of you think otherwise I don't think we should join the Commonwealth) but as long as Ireland is "united" that is the main thing. Republicanism is just another interchangeable word with democracy and as long as we are united I for one don't think it matters if we are officially are a Republic or not.
 

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I've come to the conclusion that human nature is essentially selfish, competitive and egotistical,
Your conclusion is false -

and that is fundamentally why Communism in the east became a failed ideological experiment,
Communism was never implemented in Russia - you cannot build communism in a country with 90% peasantry

and has been supplanted with western style capitalism.
Capitalism - yes - in a most naked and exploitative form - much more so than even the neo-liberal capitalism of the 'West'

As regards Ireland, unification won't necessarily bring the 32 county Socialist republic desired by Socialist Republicans. In all probability, a continuation of the socioeconomic status quo is a more realistic forecast.
Any unification based on capitalism is more likely to be bonapartist in character than a continuation of the weak open economy we have.
 

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Starting this month I will publish every monthly edition of the Communist Party paper 'Socialist Voice'. Cite the article you'd like to issue a response to and I'd be happy to discuss with anybody regarding said article or even ask the authors themselves to do so.

Thanks and give it a read, they are very thought provoking.

Communist Party of Ireland

Thanks for that. I had a tough day and needed a laugh.
 

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Meh, you argue the moon is made of blue cheese if your Party leaders told you to, which is why Trot groups attract so many twisted people.....
You made two statements that were factually incorrect -
It was Socialist Voice when the Socialist Party were The Militant Tendency in the Irish Labour Party- that is a fact.
The newspaper of the Militant Tendency was called 'The Militant' - the change in name to 'Socialist Voice' occurred after most of the membership were expelled from the LP

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The CWI is the CWI- though they had a split which led in Ireland to the minority schism which calls itself the International Marxist Tendency and is more "reformist" getting involved with the IRSP of all people! :shock: But that didnt work out...
There was no split in the CWI in Ireland - the 'overtures' to the IRSP by the IMT came from Britain.
 

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You don't get to decide.

You just started this thread.

You don't own it.
He said he didn't want to discuss them, he didn't presume to tell everyone else what to do.
 


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