Solving the Supply side squeeze of Dublin Housing crisis. How?

Congalltee

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How could supply be increased?
- incentivise downsizing for empty nesters.

The far right wing approach:
- audit social housing to see if residents are in fact entitled
- move social housing outside of the M50 (or perhaps the canals for starters)
- criminalise landlords who rent to those without a right to be in country.
- fastrack respossesions.

Centre right
- shoe box sized apartments
- fast track planning for developments
- reduce VAT on new homes for two years

The destructive construction approach
- building fire trap erections above 7 storeys destroying Dublin’s skyline
- build on parks

Left wing approach:
- tax land banks
- CPO derelict sites
- government opens tenders to developers to build on state land to create mixed estates of 20% bought on open market, 50% social housing and 20% affordable housing scheme. [edit. The percentages could vary of course]


Delays to supply:
- 25% of TDs are landlords
- nimbyism/PRSTV multiseat constituencies
- profiteering
- ideological objection to free houses for the poor.
- planning
- 4 councils mainly left wing, right wing government,
 
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HarshBuzz

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I don't think your understanding of left and right wing approaches is particularly sophisticated.

All of your approaches, left or right, read as market manipulation by government (not saying this is right or wrong).
 

Civic_critic2

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We don't need developers, we need cooperatives. We don't need banks, each locality has enough financial resources needed to crowdfund the set-up of a building co-op which can then be self-financing when up and running.

We need to remove control of the land from the people who currently control it. And we need an end to government charges which are punitive and anti-democratic. We can severely reduce professional fees through automation and co-operative restructuring of those services.

We need to get control of the land.
 

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I don't think your understanding of left and right wing approaches is particularly sophisticated.
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It’s deliberately superficial branding (this website can’t cope with sophistication).
Doing nothing is the most right wing thing which could be done.
 

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We don't need developers, we need cooperatives. We don't need banks, each locality has enough financial resources needed to crowdfund the set-up of a building co-op which can then be self-financing when up and running.

We need to remove control of the land from the people who currently control it. And we need an end to government charges which are punitive and anti-democratic. We can severely reduce professional fees through automation and co-operative restructuring of those services.

We need to get control of the land.
We need to trigger CPOs on any land that has had planning permission granted twice and where no development has taken place.

And the CPO price should be the agricultural value.

If land owners/horders aren't going to develop land they get rezoned then they should lose it imo.
 

Gin Soaked

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Take the left wing approach but 20% split with social . Make the rest open market with some minor affordable (no more than 10%).

Cap mortgages at 0.5% over ECB.

And audit entitlement to social with rent adjustments as needed. Dismiss "live near me Ma" as ground for refusal of social housing. Refusal means you go to end of list.

Do not spend any money on traveller specific accommodation in cities or greater Dublin/ Cork / Galway or Limerick areas. Don't indulge idle lifestyle on state coin..

Oh. Connection to sewers and water to be done at cost per unit. Not revenue generator for council.

Finally, Fair Deal sales give you a pass on inheritance caps if sold within 1 year of entry into FD scheme.
 

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It’s deliberately superficial branding (this website can’t cope with sophistication).
That, Sir,is an insult to every poster that partakes in this illustrious site of the web!

Also, why don't they just give all the unemployed people jobs building houses for all the homeless people? Simples.
 

ionsniffer

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Control the numbers coming here to begin with. Nothing will be solved if we keep allowing people in here
 

Civic_critic2

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Dismiss "live near me Ma" as ground for refusal of social housing. Refusal means you go to end of list.
Do not be so quick to destroy communities as if they are of little value beside the money, that damage is great and unnecessary. It's based on thinking of housing as a struggle, a huge financial commitment and an item of scarcity. All these points are untrue and contrived and therefore the rush to discipline and punish those who think they'd like to live near their familiy or community is also a contrived, money-grabbing narrow-mindedness.
 

Iusedmename

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Half the corporate tax rate on businesses in Athlone.

(With whatever wording is required to actually move jobs there.)
 

Civic_critic2

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We need to trigger CPOs on any land that has had planning permission granted twice and where no development has taken place.

And the CPO price should be the agricultural value.

If land owners/horders aren't going to develop land they get rezoned then they should lose it imo.
Well since the incumbent establishment are not going to do that then what do you propose in the way of getting control of the land? Bearing in mind that those who are under direct attack over their ability to put a roof over their heads are not obliged to submit to any social contract demanding obedience.
 

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Do not be so quick to destroy communities as if they are of little value beside the money, that damage is great and unnecessary. It's based on thinking of housing as a struggle, a huge financial commitment and an item of scarcity. All these points are untrue and contrived and therefore the rush to discipline and punish those who think they'd like to live near their familiy or community is also a contrived, money-grabbing narrow-mindedness.
Those are the kind of people who usually wouldn't work to warm themselves. Who would laugh at you if you suggested that they might actually, ya know, get a job to provide for their own kids and maybe have a bit of self respect, frankly we could do with less of them. I think it makes more sense to split the won't work never have never will crowd from the inner cities and put them in rural areas. Their kids would keep rural schools open and relocating them to rural Ireland would keep the towns alive while freeing up the more expensive urban properties. Hell, it's not like they'd have to worry about getting to work or anything like that.
 

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Half the corporate tax rate on businesses in Athlone.

(With whatever wording is required to actually move jobs there.)
What Brexit Banker, French financial, Italian industrialist etc would move to Westmeath/Roscommon?

If the country was serious about a countervailing weight to Dublin, then Limerick would be the obvious choice: international airport, Shannon free zone, good road network/broadband (it doesn’t have Galway’s bizarre roads or Cork’s attitude issue).
 

ionsniffer

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Will our country end up one social housing slum in the future?
Looks like it will be
 

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Give power to local authorities to CPO the ************************ out of it for 25% above agricultural value and fund a massive building program through an agency that either issues bonds or acts as a bank to the local authorities. If the landowners and developers don't like it, then they can go and ************************ themselves.
 

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Give power to local authorities to CPO the ************************ out of it for 25% above agricultural value and fund a massive building program through an agency that either issues bonds or acts as a bank to the local authorities. If the landowners and developers don't like it, then they can go and ************************ themselves.
The local authorities are corrupt and controlled by the same interests - possibly subject to the same whip and party discipline - as on the national stage. The people now have the right to go around all the political and financial interests; they are under attack, the social contract is broken and in a matter so basic they have a right to do whatever is necessary to defend themselves. Especially since the political and economic set-up is deliberately designed to thwart their ability to use their own creatvity to sort out shelter; large numbers of people are being prevented from taking the kind of action that would enable them in short order to create the shelter they need.
 

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Do not be so quick to destroy communities as if they are of little value beside the money, that damage is great and unnecessary. It's based on thinking of housing as a struggle, a huge financial commitment and an item of scarcity. All these points are untrue and contrived and therefore the rush to discipline and punish those who think they'd like to live near their familiy or community is also a contrived, money-grabbing narrow-mindedness.
I could not afford to buy where "me ma" lived. And all culchies leave their ma's.

So diddums.
 

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The Housing Crises cant be solved with 100,000 immigrants arriving here each year

We have to bring in serious Immigration Control

- and prioritise Irish Citizens for Housing...
 


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