Somali Piracy .. Another Staged "Gulf of Tonkin"

Destiny's Soldier

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Last November news of a ship being hijacked by Somali Pirates made headlines and was the lead story on Fox, Sky and of course RTE.

The story was ridiculous. A monster oil tanker 3 times the size of the Titanic being seized by a bunch of mobsters with AK47s on a speedboat.

My suspicions were aroused that this was the pretext for a "war on piracy". Sure enough Hillary and Obama haven't disappointed to avail of the opportunity to launch a new "war on terror" in Africa.

Some military strategists believe it may ultimately be necessary to attack the pirates’ bases on land in Somalia. But few international allies have the appetite for another land operation in Somalia, where a US military foray in the early 1990s ended in humiliation. And the cost in civilian casualties would likely be extremely high, some warn.
Yesterday, US President Barack Obama vowed “to halt the rise of piracy”, while shipmates of a rescued American freighter captain called for tough action against Somali bandits who are preying on one of the world’s busiest sea routes.

Mr Obama appeared to move up the piracy issue on his agenda, saying the United States would work with nations elsewhere in the world.

“I want to be very clear that we are resolved to halt the rise of piracy in that region and, to achieve that goal, we’re going to have to continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks,” he said at a Washington news conference.
"We're deeply concerned and we're following it very closely," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday. "More generally, the world must come together to end the scourge of piracy."

an area roughly as long as the Eastern Seaboard of the United States, pirate crews have successfully held commercial ships hostage for days or weeks until they are ransomed. In the past week, pressured by naval actions off Somalia, the pirates have shifted their operations farther out into the Indian Ocean, expanding the crisis.
How even more opportune ... US warships off India.




Somalia sits beautifully across the Gulf of Aden from the Oil Centre of the Universe. With all that coastline, Obama will be the acceptable Black face to launch a new imperialist war in Africa.

I don't believe for a minute that cargo ships couldn't have loudspeakers and armed security on board their ships to warn off approaching boats. "Get away from our ship or we'll open fire".

My deduction is that CIA operatives or similar have gone into Somalia and paid off known criminals with weapons, drugs and money to go for bigger prey way beyond their normal capability.

This piracy has all the hallmarks of another Gulf of Tonkin. A pretext for an Obama invasion on African soil.
 


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I don't believe for a minute that cargo ships couldn't have loudspeakers and armed security on board their ships to warn off approaching boats. "Get away from our ship or we'll open fire".

My deduction is that CIA operatives or similar have gone into Somalia and paid off known criminals with weapons, drugs and money to go for bigger prey way beyond their normal capability.

This piracy has all the hallmarks of another Gulf of Tonkin. A pretext for an Obama invasion on African soil.
It must be a terrible dark place in your paranoid mind. There is no good reason for any sane country to invade Soamlia. No oil. No gold. Nothing except poverty and screaming jihadists. If the US wanted a foothold they could snuggle up to Somaliland or Puntland which are autonomous parts of the old Somalia which would cost them little in terms of manpower and cash.
 

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This is the least of the US’s problems.
Somali is 1 place the US do not want to go near again.

This is nothing like the Gulf of Tonkin you conspiracy nutter.
 

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Do you really think that the Yanks want to go anywhere near Somalia unless they really really have to?

Somalia is one F^cked up country - the US and formee USSR have their share of the blame to take - but ultimately its the Somalians and the fact that they would fight over a fart that is the reason the country is in the state it is in.

Was only a matter of time before somebody from Area 51 or Leftiegrad came along with such a predictable conspiracy theory - blame the US, blame the US, Blame the EU, Blame the US..............................
 
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It must be a terrible dark place in your paranoid mind. There is no good reason for any sane country to invade Soamlia. No oil. No gold. Nothing except poverty and screaming jihadists. If the US wanted a foothold they could snuggle up to Somaliland or Puntland which are autonomous parts of the old Somalia which would cost them little in terms of manpower and cash.
On one level there is no good reason. Agreed. Further North up the road however, Sudan has a lot of Oil. And China ships it's oil from Sudan through the Gulf of Aden.

West of Somalia is Kenya and Kenya borders Sudan. And Obama's relationship with Prime Minister of Kenya Odinga is rather curious to say the least.
At a surface level there is no sense to a US military presence in Somalia. On a long term hegemonic level there is clearly a strategic game being played out.


In August and September 2006, Senator Barack Obama traveled to South Africa, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Chad and Kenya as a congressional delegation of one (Codel Obama) (“Codel Obama” The Hill 9/7/2006) While in Kenya, Obama consistently appeared at the side of fellow Luo Raila Odinga (“your agent for change’), who was running for President. (“Senator Rebukes Kenya’s Corruption” Chicago Sun Times 8/29/2006) Because of his African heritage, Obama was treated as a virtual “Head of State” in Kenya While campaigning with Odinga, Obama was openly critical of governmental corruption under President Mibaki –usually a fair, if undiplomatic, criticism from an objective observer.
For the US and “the war on terror”—the most worrisome section—contained in both agreements– concerns extradition (or renditions) of suspected terrorists to the US and
elsewhere. The Kibaki government had been a leading supporter of the US’s efforts to dismantle Al-Queda cells in Kenya (National Commission of Terrorist Attacks on the United States- 9/11 Report) and elsewhere. Raila Odinga made opposition to the government’s crackdown of suspected Al Queda supporters a cornerstone of his campaign “In Kimanthi’s view, ‘only some of the leaders’…were Al Queda sympathizers. The renditions- along with frequent police sweeps on the Swahili coast-had become an emotional issue in the presidential race. Islamic outrage had placed the incumbent, Kibaki, on the defensive and provided Raila Odinga with a tool to rally the support of Kenya’s Muslims.” (“The African Front” New York Times Magazine 12/23/2007) And, “Our government will not be held at ransom to extradite Muslims to foreign lands”, Odinga told supporters in the coastal city of Mombassa. ‘This government is behaving as if it is still a colony.’” (“Outcome of Kenyan Election Could Impact Anti-Terror Cooperation” CNSNews.com 10/17/2007)
Clearly, Obama campaigned for someone who is corrupt, ruthless and has financial ties to terrorists. More importantly, Obama campaigned for a candidate who had the stated objective of dismantling US & Kenyan government efforts to root out Al Queda and other terrorist organizations. Organizations that had already caused the deaths of hundreds of Americans and Africans in embassy bombings. Senator Obama’s actions—intentional or not—were in direct conflict with the efforts and interests of US national security. I think this raises serious questions about the judgment, maturity and readiness of Senator Obama.

Senator Barack Obama in Kenya > Obama and Odinga: The True Story « African Press International (API)

Corsi claims that Obama has strong ties to Odinga, whom the author says fomented Kenya's postelection violence last January in a bid to secure the presidency after the results declared incumbent President Mwai Kibaki the winner.
Corsi in Kenya: Obama's Nation Boots Obama Nation Author - TIME



 
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Is there some way to ignore these threads? I'm annoyed at myself for clicking on it, but there has to be something that can be done about it.

Maybe there should be a forum specially for conspiracy theories, and a mod can put the threads in there. Then, it should be possible for users to ignore entire forums, so they don't appear on the latest discussions page.

I don't deny anyone their right to free speech, but the sane/rational majority shouldn't have this stuff foisted on them.
 

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Destiny,

I think you are cracked writing such a silly thread because oil tankers have no choice but pass nearby to the Somalian coast thereby putting themselves at risk from pirates and it is not normal for ships to carry their own private armies!:confused:
 

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Sure the US are always up to something, Obama's speech at the G20 summit, telling Europeans, that they are more at risk from terrorist attacks, so they should get more involved in the war in the Afghanistan (secure the heroin) and Iraq (secure the oil). What a load of bollox, at least we know who is pulling his strings. Sure once the EU state is complete, we may have no choice but to go to the middle east wearing army fatigues, and pretend to find some guy in a cave.
 

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Do you believe that ALL these pirates are funded by the CIA so??
Not all. Some definately. What's so difficult to understand?

By Sept 2001 there was $3 Trillion unaccounted spending over 7 years at the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld at the time stated he wasn't going to indicate where the money was spent.

The Gulf of Tonkin was a staged event to allow the US invade Vietnam. I didn't hear anyone deny that yet.

Here's another Gulf of Tonkin.
 

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Is there some way to ignore these threads? I'm annoyed at myself for clicking on it, but there has to be something that can be done about it.
When it said "Staged Gulf of Tonkin" you had opportunity enough to avoid it.

"Is there anyway of avoiding my own stupidity?" .No. You're stuck with yourself.

I'm stuck with fake problems being foisted on our media's headlines by US hegemonic interests.
 

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Destiny,

I think you are cracked writing such a silly thread because oil tankers have no choice but pass nearby to the Somalian coast thereby putting themselves at risk from pirates and it is not normal for ships to carry their own private armies!:confused:
Well it SHOULD be normal to have a millions of dollars of product protected with armaments in a dangerous region. And it should be normal for an Oil tanker to be protected from sabotage from terrorists for risk of a deliberate Oil Spill and permanent environmental devastation.
 

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If obama went and invaded Somali he would lose the next election by a landslide wake up and smell the coffee the Americans are sick of war. Obama was even against the war in Iraq. All you conspiracy nuts would want to get a grip.
 

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Not all. Some definately. What's so difficult to understand?

By Sept 2001 there was $3 Trillion unaccounted spending over 7 years at the Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld at the time stated he wasn't going to indicate where the money was spent.

The Gulf of Tonkin was a staged event to allow the US invade Vietnam. I didn't hear anyone deny that yet.

Here's another Gulf of Tonkin.
Your theory is flawed. You have reached a conclusion before assessing the details.

Piracy has always been an issue in this area but it has increased in the last 3-4 years due to further instability in Somalia.

There has been international movement to try and tackle this problem since last year.
The US are not the only ones involved here.
 

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If obama went and invaded Somali he would lose the next election by a landslide wake up and smell the coffee the Americans are sick of war. Obama was even against the war in Iraq. All you conspiracy nuts would want to get a grip.
But don't forget Obama is for the Afghan war.
 

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If obama went and invaded Somali he would lose the next election by a landslide wake up and smell the coffee the Americans are sick of war. Obama was even against the war in Iraq. All you conspiracy nuts would want to get a grip.
What's he doing sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan?

He's doing the opposite of what he said he would do in Iraq? -Out in 6 months

Within 3 days of his inaugeration he had killed 50 people by airstrike in Pakistan.

Obama talks of a 7 million civilian force "just as capable, just as strong". ...Kind of Hitleresque don't you think?

Obama is not going to end illegal wiretapping initiated under the Bush Administration.

Constitutional Law Professor at George Washington University Johnathon Turley states there can be no escaping: if Obama does not prosecute Cheney for War Crimes, Obama is just a guilty.

With Obama you have one hell of an actor.
 

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He'll discover a long held and deeply principled opposition to the war if it proves too politically costly. I think the moment they can get the more moderate Taleban (stoning women rather than supporting Al-Qaeda like another US ally) into the approved Afghan government, the war will be wound down.
 

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What's he doing sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan?

He's doing the opposite of what he said he would do in Iraq? -Out in 6 months

Within 3 days of his inaugeration he had killed 50 people by airstrike in Pakistan.

Obama talks of a 7 million civilian force "just as capable, just as strong". ...Kind of Hitleresque don't you think?

Obama is not going to end illegal wiretapping initiated under the Bush Administration.

Constitutional Law Professor at George Washington University Johnathon Turley states there can be no escaping: if Obama does not prosecute Cheney for War Crimes, Obama is just a guilty.

With Obama you have one hell of an actor.
You might have had some bites on this nonsense if you and the stories credibility wasnt shattered by the fact that conspiracy theorist #1 and all round moron Mr. Crowley thanked you for this post.. So it must be bull-sh-it...

The efforts you and him go to demonise legitimate action have to be seen to truly understand paranoid delusion.

You both would make a fine case study for a Mental Health professional who wants to 'help' people..
 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qj0Fy2h21I]YouTube - President Obama: Hold pirates accountable[/ame]

Don't worry about a thing Destiny. Obama is too stupid.

Watch him here reading the teleprompter trying to look happy.

At 0.49 seconds the dope misreads the screen and says

"We are resolved to halt the rise in privacy in the region"

The dummies that think Obama is not just a parrot reading whatever is written for him are few and far between and we are only 10 weeks in. At least the dumbass Bush could read and look happy when happiness was called.

Good morning Obama fools
 


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