Some catholic schools are violating the Constitution by policies which force children to attend religious education classes

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Some catholic schools are violating the Constitution by policies which force children to attend religious education classes

School policies contradict Constitution on religion

Catholic secondary schools are telling parents that their children are obliged to attend religious education classes and Catholic masses despite the fact that the Constitution gives students an explicit right to not attend, should they or their parents so wish.

RTÉ News has looked at the websites of several Roman Catholic schools which state that students are "required" or "expected" to attend religion classes, or state that the subject is "compulsory".

Some websites also state that non-Christian students are "required" to attend mass, and one states that Muslim students specifically must "fully participate" in Christian liturgies.

The instructions appear to be in direct conflict with the Constitution which acknowledges "the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school".

Full story: RTÉ.ie - School policies contradict Constitution on religion



My comments:

1) how have they got away with this for so long??

2) it's amazing how all the schools contacted quickly back-pedalled from their policy!

3) I agree the lady from Atheist Ireland (see the full story) that there should be law govering this as the schools don't seem to be able to!
 
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and in other shock horror surprising news.............religious people have little or no regard for secular laws.

with regard to having religion rammed down your throat, surely you can opt out if you will swear on the bible/torah/koran that you think this religion nonsense is just a pile of superstitious shyte.
 

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Change a few words on the website .. bish, bang, bop - problem solved.

There are no implications for actual schools' policies.
 

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Change a few words on the website .. bish, bang, bop - problem solved.

There are no implications for actual schools' policies.
There is as kids arnt actually being accommodated in opting out, even the Schools admit this & they still have to stay in the classroom while the religious education is going on
 

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At school In the UK, those of us found to have not attended Mass on Sunday morning were left behind when the rest of the class went off to play football on Monday mornings.

We had to sit and read books! Do our smoking in the Loo and exchange far from political correct jokes. 1956.

Want to hear about the cricket playing Jews in a Concentration camp, and what the prize was if they beat the rival Jewish team?
 

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Religious Education as it is currently understood in this State is an oxymoron.
Teaching religion as fact is child abuse.
 

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There is as kids arnt actually being accommodated in opting out, even the Schools admit this & they still have to stay in the classroom while the religious education is going on
Maybe they could listen to their ipods with earphones at the back of the room...
 

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they deserve a proper opt out not some half ass attempt!
Or they could watch TV/a movie on their ipads!

That is an opt out - not a single word of the dreaded Catholicism would enter their delicate ears...
 

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they deserve a proper opt out not some half ass attempt!
Your OP claims a constitutional right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school".

What specific provision of the Irish constitution asserts this specific right?
 

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Religion shouldn't be taught at schools, schools should be teaching important things like science, maths, history, geography etc not superstitions, it should be kept in private and away from public influence.
 

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Religion shouldn't be taught at schools, schools should be teaching important things like science, maths, history, geography etc not superstitions, it should be kept in private and away from public influence.
Compact nonsense.
 

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Taxpayers should not have to fund prosletising.
 

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Ireland will eventually go the way of the UK. Religious Instruction is mandated in secondary schools, but parents have the right to withdraw their children from any classes on the subject and the school has to supervise them during that time table gap.

The RI curriculum is drawn up by a body called SACRE which consists of all faith groups and teachers are totally prohibited from teaching that any one faith is true or better. Its basically anthropology and sociology. The purpose is to inform pupils about the worlds faith systems and non-religious beliefs. That's all. End of. No grooming for Confirmation etc.

Even that is on the way out, because secondary schools timetable from 14 onwards in such a way that most GCSE pupils wont opt for RI, even as an easy subject for an exam.

Criticism has been levelled that the subject should be squeezed in so pupils don't end up with daft ideas about religions they picked up on the internet or from the Village Know-All.

Basically, I'm amazed that this is still such an issue in the Republic. It doesn't have to be this way, you know.
 

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Religion shouldn't be taught at schools, schools should be teaching important things like science, maths, history, geography etc not superstitions, it should be kept in private and away from public influence.
Please do not be arrogant. Leave it to Catholics to decide what is taught in Catholic schools. Leave it to Protestants to decide what is taught in Protestant schools.
 

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Please do not be arrogant. Leave it to Catholics to decide what is taught in Catholic schools. Leave it to Protestants to decide what is taught in Protestant schools.
Yes and leave securilists have there own schools, unfortunately they have a lack of options, why should religion be forced down their throats, if you want religion taught in schools you should fund it yourselves, why should the non religious have to.
 

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Taxpayers should not have to fund prosletising.
The children in these schools are mostly catholic.

The non catholics can be cleared out during religion class.

There is no proselytising .
 


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