Some Questions for Sinn Fein Members

Irish-Rationalist

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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

2. When is a border poll going to happen?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

4. How does SF intend to prevent retaliatory discrimination, marginalisation and alienation of the PUL minority community in the new republic?

5. Was SFs decision to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement, which effectively legitimised partition, rubber-stamped the unionist veto and strengthened the union, a wise decision?

6. Shall Brexit provide the catalyst to peacefully and democratically reunify Ireland?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?

8. How many NI Protestants vote for SF in NI elections?

9. How many NI Protestants are members of SF?

10. Is SF a truly Republican and egalitarian party similar to the United Irishmen, or a sectarian outfit akin to the Catholic Defenders?
 


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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

2. When is a border poll going to happen?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

4. How does SF intend to prevent retaliatory discrimination, marginalisation and alienation of the PUL minority community in the new republic?

5. Was SFs decision to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement, which effectively legitimised partition, rubber-stamped the unionist veto and strengthened the union, a wise decision?

6. Shall Brexit provide the catalyst to peacefully and democratically reunify Ireland?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?

8. How many NI Protestants vote for SF in NI elections?

9. How many NI Protestants are members of SF?

10. Is SF a truly Republican and egalitarian party similar to the United Irishmen, or a sectarian outfit akin to the Catholic Defenders?
I am from Tyrone and not anything to do with sf but wtf are you on when you make it a single party/person responsibility to argue/support a different perspective than their own?
 

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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

2. When is a border poll going to happen?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

4. How does SF intend to prevent retaliatory discrimination, marginalisation and alienation of the PUL minority community in the new republic?

5. Was SFs decision to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement, which effectively legitimised partition, rubber-stamped the unionist veto and strengthened the union, a wise decision?

6. Shall Brexit provide the catalyst to peacefully and democratically reunify Ireland?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?

8. How many NI Protestants vote for SF in NI elections?

9. How many NI Protestants are members of SF?

10. Is SF a truly Republican and egalitarian party similar to the United Irishmen, or a sectarian outfit akin to the Catholic Defenders?
You do know that the X factor started a few minutes ago ?
 

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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

2. When is a border poll going to happen?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

4. How does SF intend to prevent retaliatory discrimination, marginalisation and alienation of the PUL minority community in the new republic?

5. Was SFs decision to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement, which effectively legitimised partition, rubber-stamped the unionist veto and strengthened the union, a wise decision?

6. Shall Brexit provide the catalyst to peacefully and democratically reunify Ireland?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?

8. How many NI Protestants vote for SF in NI elections?

9. How many NI Protestants are members of SF?

10. Is SF a truly Republican and egalitarian party similar to the United Irishmen, or a sectarian outfit akin to the Catholic Defenders?
11. How many Shinners are in fact British agents?
 

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My question to SF and their supporters.

Why are you so hell bent on displacing the white indigenous population of this island by third world foreign aliens?
 

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Not all british agents are shinners but all shinners...
I'd say being a Brit agent is a VERY VERY busy job these days with the relentless attacks from the so-called Dissidents.
 

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I am from Tyrone and not anything to do with sf but wtf are you on when you make it a single party/person responsibility to argue/support a different perspective than their own?
Can you re-word this to make it intelligible?
 

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An internal border poll is immoral.
We had one in 72 and most Nationalists boycotted it.
Partition affects both sides of the border and both sides should vote.
And this time the same question on the same day.
Not the smoke and mirrors of the GFA referendum.
 

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An internal border poll is immoral.
We had one in 72 and most Nationalists boycotted it.
Partition affects both sides of the border and both sides should vote.
And this time the same question on the same day.
Not the smoke and mirrors of the GFA referendum.
Yes but due to the GFA even if the majority of the Island (NI + ROI) vote yes but the majority of the people in NI vote NO, the vote is defeated
 

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The only question anyone can truthfully answer is number two. And that is up to James Brokenshire. So you'd really need to ask him rather than SF.
 

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The only question anyone can truthfully answer is number two. And that is up to James Brokenshire. So you'd really need to ask him rather than SF.
As regards any minority culture going into decline and becoming isolated in a new state when borders change can we look at places where the position of democracy is mature and consolidated.

One might look at the South of Ireland.For all the condemnation of DeValeras Ireland or the time of Cosgrolearaism as I prefer to call it between the thirties and 1960 there was never a period of dictatorship unlike Greece, Spain. Portugal, Croatia and others.

The sixties brought economic development though admittedly from a small base.The seventies expanded free education and membership of the E.E.C led to a more outward looking society. The eighties and nineties showed Ireland embracing technology and innovation.

Would Ireland just well fare as anywhere else in protecting various cultures and allowing culture groups to promote their historic memories and contemporary practices. The very experience of a century of conflict means the vast bulk of the population want to learn from the mistakes of the past. Live and let live out to be the idea for communities thriving alongside each other not having everyone turned into a grey soup.
 

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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

2. When is a border poll going to happen?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

4. How does SF intend to prevent retaliatory discrimination, marginalisation and alienation of the PUL minority community in the new republic?

5. Was SFs decision to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement, which effectively legitimised partition, rubber-stamped the unionist veto and strengthened the union, a wise decision?

6. Shall Brexit provide the catalyst to peacefully and democratically reunify Ireland?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?

8. How many NI Protestants vote for SF in NI elections?

9. How many NI Protestants are members of SF?

10. Is SF a truly Republican and egalitarian party similar to the United Irishmen, or a sectarian outfit akin to the Catholic Defenders?
1. Sf is already involved in cross community initiatives aimed at developing mutual respect and understanding. E.G twadell.

2. You need to ask the Norths SOS that question.

3. An orange flight will only happen if that cohort feels it cannot live in a unitary irish state. However the SF position seems to include a view that Stormont would remain in the north with the six counties having a degree of Autonomy.

4. There is no evidence to suggest that nationalist Ireland has any intention of repeating the mistakes of NI 1922 to 1972. Again, with power devolved in the north, Unionists will have the clout to fend off any possible attempts of retribution.

6. Most likely yes.

7. It already is a subculture in the North with only a tiny minority of Unionism engaged.

8. 5% of Protestants support Irish unity. Maybe they are Shinners. Impossible to tell as the question is not asked on the ballot paper.
9. Impossible to know as SF do not enquire as to members religious beliefs.

10. SF is a political party part of the broader Republican family. Like all parties it has ideals and ambitions. Central to SF is the goal of just equality or fair inequality.
Sectarianism is rejected and those who engage in such behaviour are not welcome in the party.
 

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Yes but due to the GFA even if the majority of the Island (NI + ROI) vote yes but the majority of the people in NI vote NO, the vote is defeated
the "majority of the Island (NI + ROI)" voted YES, a long time before the GFA,
in 1918 to be exact.
the Brits didn't accept it,
& they supported the Free Staters.

however - demographics within the Six Counties, are now on the side of a UI,
no matter what the plastic brits, or what the west brits want.
 

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1. How does SF intend to develop its outreach to unionists program?

3. In the event of a yes vote for Irish unity, how does SF intend to prevent Orange flight? Or shall a significant reduction in the Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist population in the north be conducive to the establishment and functioning of a 32 county republic?

7. Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear, is Unionist/Loyalist culture set to become a subculture?
Just in terms of these three questions:

1. Outreach can't be political, Unionism and Republicanism are political opposites. The best form of outreach in terms of a UI is to build the case such that citizens on this island decide it is best for them. Community outreach on the ground is the best way to do this, breaking down divides and creating a sense of positive normality in a shared nation with different identities cherished where respect is mutual.

3. Bar the most closeted, most PUL know that their brethren in the border counties are doing just fine with practically no intimidation. Orange flight should be avoided by giving the PUL community a franchise in a new Republic.

7. It already is a subculture, one which the Island of Britain to which it claims allegiance has little regard for. There's no reason that PUL culture and tradition couldn't be a vibrant addition to a UI, however it needs to understand mutual respect, and to quote the GFA: "Parity of esteem." We were lucky to have the Protestant bands of Derry talk to us at the Ard-fheis a few years ago, an insight in to the importance of this tradition to working class protestants, and a positive outlet for the young, this would be valued just as much in a UI as you think it would anywhere.

Which brings me to challenge this:
Considering that PUL culture is diametrically opposed to and an anathema to all that which Nationalist Ireland holds dear
When you have parity of esteem, differing traditions, outlooks and even politics can be conducted in a constructive way. That's a vision we should all value, and something which the GFA in these past two decades has given us a glimpse of. The Orangemen may bring their British flags to Rossnowlagh, but yet they stand on unoccupied land free to express their tradition in a peaceful way. They should know they and their traditions have little to fear from a United Republic.
 

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"An internal border poll is immoral."

How do you know that it is immoral? Have you a direct line to the Almighty?

"We had one in 72 and most Nationalists boycotted it."

So what?

"Partition affects both sides of the border and both sides should vote."

Why?
 


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