South Africa 3rd in World Championship Medal Count

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South Africa putting in a stunning performance in the IAAF World Championships. Currently running in 3rd place in the medal count and likely to hold that place. And what's particularly of note is that none of the medal winners are white.

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/iaaf-world-championships-london-2017-5151/medaltable

It's another sign of the ongoing political cultural shift in SA where in the past these athletes would not have even been allowed compete because of their skin colour. The new face of South Africa is becoming increasingly the norm in sporting, cultural, technology, art, fashion and politics. The potential talent pool across all categories is staggering and starting to come through as black wealth increases, the middle class now larger than the white middle class, access to education, resources, training, mentoring etc.

If the rugby people could handle a period of real change for about ten years I think SA would be the almost invincible force in world rugby as well. An their rugby team would be a huge unifying force in the country. But for now, it's still held back by the old Afrikaner establishment.

Of course, the challenges inherited by the democratic state continue tom daunt. The middle class is still only about 10m with a population of over 50m poor to sustain. It would be like the population of Sweden having to also mind the entire population of Spain (and a much more impoverished version of Spain). That is a challenge that will take another two generations probably to solve. That is the scale of the horror created and bequeathed by the white minority. And Irish people think the have problems. But slowly and surely it is being addressed.
 


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Whatever about sport... the impression I get of SA is that of a country heading backwards in many ways and that this has been happening ever since Mandella withdrew from public life...

The hope and promise the country had in Mandella seems to have evaporated.
 

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In sport, selection should be on merit above anything else.

SA did have a good world championship. Of the six medals won by South Africa, four of the medals were won by the same two competitors.
 

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Whatever about sport... the impression I get of SA is that of a country heading backwards in many ways and that this has been happening ever since Mandella withdrew from public life...

The hope and promise the country had in Mandella seems to have evaporated.
The ANC have run the country to the ground, that's the truth of the matter.
 

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In sport, selection should be on merit and not on anything else.

SA did have a good world championship. Of the six medals won by South Africa, four of the medals were won by the same two competitors.
True but that's often the case (Jamaica fro example) and South Africa have a very small team. They can't afford to bring a full size team yet, but each year it gets a little better.
 

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Whatever about sport... the impression I get of SA is that of a country heading backwards in many ways and that this has been happening ever since Mandella withdrew from public life...

The hope and promise the country had in Mandella seems to have evaporated.
They've had a crap leader for a few years (who hasn't at some point - look at the US right now). Mandela and Mbeki were Khosa. Zuma is a Zulu and that's part of the issue. But he'll be gone in a few months. I think they can get back on track. A lot depends on external investment of course.
 

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gerhard dengler said:
In sport, selection should be on merit above anything else.

SA did have a good world championship. Of the six medals won by South Africa, four of the medals were won by the same two competitors.
True but that's often the case (Jamaica fro example) and South Africa have a very small team. They can't afford to bring a full size team yet, but each year it gets a little better.
Jamaica is a far smaller country than South Africa.

Your OP is all over the place.
 

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It's a positive story about South Africa.
"Forget the 27% unemployment and 60% youth poverty. Count the medals!"

Black wealth is increasing for a few ANC associates in a kleptocracy. What's beginning to happen is people are realising that black people oppressing you stings just as much as white people oppressing you.

The problems are in no way being addressed and by every measure the country has taken massive steps backwards in the last 10 years.
 

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The ANC have run the country to the ground, that's the truth of the matter.
What else would you expect from the legacy of a man like Mandela.
 

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"Forget the 27% unemployment and 60% youth poverty. Count the medals!"

Black wealth is increasing for a few ANC associates in a kleptocracy. What's beginning to happen is people are realising that black people oppressing you stings just as much as white people oppressing you.

The problems are in no way being addressed and by every measure the country has taken massive steps backwards in the last 10 years.
First of all you're completely blind to the cultural importance here. The significance of millions of people being able to watch people they can relate to representing their country is just beyond you. Just as Irish people were proud to see U2 soar to the top or our soccer team get to a tournament final, not win a medal but just get there! But you completely dismiss the value in South Africa. And wrongly.

The society and economy continues to improve steadily and is a vastly better place than it was. In spite of the negative propaganda spewed by certain vested interests.
 

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The society and economy continues to improve steadily and is a vastly better place than it was. In spite of the negative propaganda spewed by certain vested interests.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/177337/sa-unemployment-rate-hits-worst-level-in-14-years/

The stats body published its Quarterly Labour Force Survey for the first quarter of 2017, showing that the addition of 144,000 jobs was offset by the growth in the number of job-seekers by 433,000.

This has pushed the unemployment rate to 27.7% in the first quarter of 2017 – the highest rate observed since September 2003.

The expanded unemployment rate – including those who are unemployed and not actively seeking work, also hit a new high of 36.4%.
https://mg.co.za/article/2017-06-07-sas-in-a-recession-heres-what-that-means

Vested interests I guess like the South African Statistics dept who report on unemployment and the South African finance ministry who confirmed they're in recession.
 

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It's a positive story about South Africa.
It is a positive story that SA won medals at the IAAF championships, I agree.

But your OP extrapolates conclusions, conclusions which are not supported by the facts. Two athletes won four of the six medals won by SA. They were great individual achievements.

But to extrapolate this achievement as you did in your OP doesn't make sense.
 

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First of all you're completely blind to the cultural importance here. The significance of millions of people being able to watch people they can relate to representing their country is just beyond you. Just as Irish people were proud to see U2 soar to the top or our soccer team get to a tournament final, not win a medal but just get there! But you completely dismiss the value in South Africa. And wrongly.

The society and economy continues to improve steadily and is a vastly better place than it was. In spite of the negative propaganda spewed by certain vested interests.
Crime rates say otherwise.
 

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https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/177337/sa-unemployment-rate-hits-worst-level-in-14-years/



https://mg.co.za/article/2017-06-07-sas-in-a-recession-heres-what-that-means

Vested interests I guess like the South African Statistics dept who report on unemployment and the South African finance ministry who confirmed they're in recession.
Everybody knows that there aren't enough jobs for every one and not enough well paying job. That's going to take years. The country has made huge strides in health for example with infant mortality showing huge declines. The population is swelled daily my migrants from Zimbabwe and other African countries who see South Africa as their best opportunity. No one is saying it's a paradise. The point is, it's getting better, bit by bit, in spite of the hellhole that was created by the white minority and bequeathed to the incoming government in 1994.

The cultural significance of black South African's winning is not to be underestimated or undervalued.
 

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South Africa putting in a stunning performance in the IAAF World Championships. Currently running in 3rd place in the medal count and likely to hold that place. And what's particularly of note is that none of the medal winners are white.

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/iaaf-world-championships-london-2017-5151/medaltable

It's another sign of the ongoing political cultural shift in SA where in the past these athletes would not have even been allowed compete because of their skin colour. The new face of South Africa is becoming increasingly the norm in sporting, cultural, technology, art, fashion and politics. The potential talent pool across all categories is staggering and starting to come through as black wealth increases, the middle class now larger than the white middle class, access to education, resources, training, mentoring etc.

If the rugby people could handle a period of real change for about ten years I think SA would be the almost invincible force in world rugby as well. An their rugby team would be a huge unifying force in the country. But for now, it's still held back by the old Afrikaner establishment.

Of course, the challenges inherited by the democratic state continue tom daunt. The middle class is still only about 10m with a population of over 50m poor to sustain. It would be like the population of Sweden having to also mind the entire population of Spain (and a much more impoverished version of Spain). That is a challenge that will take another two generations probably to solve. That is the scale of the horror created and bequeathed by the white minority. And Irish people think the have problems. But slowly and surely it is being addressed.
The big elephant in the room here is that all of the great sprinters have all been black, why is this?

Is it politically incorrect to recognise such an obvious trait that exists amongst the top athletes?
 

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Everybody knows that there aren't enough jobs for every one and not enough well paying job. That's going to take years. The country has made huge strides in health for example with infant mortality showing huge declines. The population is swelled daily my migrants from Zimbabwe and other African countries who see South Africa as their best opportunity. No one is saying it's a paradise. The point is, it's getting better, bit by bit, in spite of the hellhole that was created by the white minority and bequeathed to the incoming government in 1994.

The cultural significance of black South African's winning is not to be underestimated or undervalued.
They have had nearly 25 unbroken years in power!

What are you thoughts on the rampant, Mugabe-esque, levels of kleptomania demonstrated by Zuma and the top cadres of the ANC?
 

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First of all you're completely blind to the cultural importance here. The significance of millions of people being able to watch people they can relate to representing their country is just beyond you. Just as Irish people were proud to see U2 soar to the top or our soccer team get to a tournament final, not win a medal but just get there! But you completely dismiss the value in South Africa. And wrongly.
Cutural importence?

U2?
The music is third rate so only the uneducated Irish were proud.

Soccer?
In typical Irish fashion they blew it fighting amongst themselves over petty issues.

Even the uneducated were not proud of that.

The society and economy continues to improve steadily and is a vastly better place than it was. In spite of the negative propaganda spewed by certain vested interests.
Odd then that people are leaving the country in droves.
 

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The big elephant in the room here is that all of the great sprinters have all been black, why is this?

Is it politically incorrect to recognise such an obvious trait that exists amongst the top athletes?
Fast-twitch muscles. It's a well recognised genetic advantage.
 


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