South Belfast : DUP hard-Brexit vote V lighter shade of green ?



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No they don’t ... only sewer dwelling scum murder innocent people just because of what religion they are.....
Cynthia,
Sewer dwelling scum murder innocent policemen in the name of a united Ireland.
What a counterproductive strategy that was.
 

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Tell your wee loyalist friend ...

Btw, talking about sewers “hello dopey” ;)
Cynthia,
I was telling you some home truths.
But hello back,
Give my love to auld Bessie.
 

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Cynthia,
I was telling you some home truths.
But hello back,
Give my love to auld Bessie.
As I said dopey, tell your little loyalist friend .... your little loyalist friend said ordinary people do terrible things when talking about sectarian murder ... I’m saying they don’t ... only scumbags murder people because of their religion
...

Btw, who do you think you will thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey 😂
 

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As I said dopey, tell your little loyalist friend .... your little loyalist friend said ordinary people do terrible things when talking about sectarian murder ... I’m saying they don’t ... only scumbags murder people because of their religion
...

Btw, who do you think you will thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey 😂
Cynthia,
And I am telling you only scumbags murder and terrorise people in the name.of a united Ireland.
 

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Cynthia,
And I am telling you only scumbags murder and terrorise people in the name.of a united Ireland.
Tell your fellow scummy loyalist friend .. he’s the one saying murder is normal .../
Now could you not work that out for yourself dopey or do you agree with him ...

Btw you forgot to address this bit dopey.....
who will you thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey 😂
 
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A pact between SDLP, Alliance and the Green Party where they run an agreed set of candidates is a great idea. If SF are happy to support a set of candidates who will take their seats they should be included too, but there is not a hope of that happening. Electing MPs who choose to make themselves irrelevant by not taking their seats is pointless and so I don't think SF should be included otherwise.
A pact excluding SF would likely work in Belfast South and remove the DUP's Pengelly. However It wouldn't work anywhere else. The other winnable seat in Belfast North needs a SF SDLP pact to remove Nigel Dodds.
Furthermore, while I'd personally far prefer SF to take their seats, it is not totally pointless voting for them in the current crisis. Every unionist removed from office (with the exception of Sylvia Hermon) is one less vote for Brexit on DUP terms. Furthermore to have the DUP's leader in Westminster lose his seat would be a huge PR victory, for "Backstop" supporters and a big blow to the DUP's morale.
 

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No they don’t ... only sewer dwelling scum murder innocent people just because of what religion they are.....
Are those who kill policemen "sewer dwelling scum", or do you see them as something else?
 

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Are those who kill policemen "sewer dwelling scum", or do you see them as something else?
I have repeatedly said that I abhor "all" violence and I do .. unlike you who slimely tries not to but cant help showing your approval of the murder of innocents

btw, I see your idiot little loyalist friend is too depressed to answer but maybe you will...

Who will you thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey ;)
 

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I have repeatedly said that I abhor "all" violence and I do .. unlike you who slimely tries not to but cant help showing your approval of the murder of innocents

btw, I see your idiot little loyalist friend is too depressed to answer but maybe you will...

Who will you thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey ;)


Mange I suspect is too interested in this sort of caper than the backstop sir. 😁

 

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I have repeatedly said that I abhor "all" violence and I do .. unlike you who slimely tries not to but cant help showing your approval of the murder of innocents

btw, I see your idiot little loyalist friend is too depressed to answer but maybe you will...

Who will you thank for the backstop (border in the Irish Sea) first .... Snarlene, wee Nigel, Sammy or Jeffrey ;)
I apply context and analysis to historical events, nothing more. I don't start these grave yard threads and have previously denounced all 'troubles' violence as a pointless waste of human life.
 

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I apply context and analysis to historical events, nothing more. I don't start these grave yard threads and have previously denounced all 'troubles' violence as a pointless waste of human life.
Yet you’ve made several mealy mouthed posts hinting that Catholics/Nationalists were fair game for loyalist murder squads just because of their religion ... You’re fooling no one.

So anyway, I know you lads are trying to ignore it but who will you thank for the backstop? ;)
 

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Yet you’ve made several mealy mouthed posts hinting that Catholics/Nationalists were fair game for loyalist murder squads just because of their religion ... You’re fooling no one.

So anyway, I know you lads are trying to ignore it but who will you thank for the backstop? ;)

He never did try to hide his disdain for Catholics and swarthy types and don't be surprised if he blames the Bishop of Rome for the backstop. 😂
 

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I will put on my devil's advocate/Machiavellian cynic hat:
What has stymied SF/SDLP rapprochement in Belfast is the latter's view of this being a non-PC sectarian pact. In the current Brexit-dominant situation the optics are somewhat different. The perceived non-PC, sectarian pact wolf can now be concealed in PC/pro-remain/pro-backstop sheep's clothing in the Belfast sphere.
The way this works is by bringing Alliance into a tripartite equation: them in EB, SF in NB, and the SDLP in SB -- with the relevant other two staying out. Then your average, conscientious SDLPer wax lyrical about the need to maximize pro-backstop representation (or, if you like, minimize anti-backstop representation).
There is nothing in this for the Greens admittedly other then making themselves more transfer-friendly.
 

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I will put on my devil's advocate/Machiavellian cynic hat:
What has stymied SF/SDLP rapprochement in Belfast is the latter's view of this being a non-PC sectarian pact. In the current Brexit-dominant situation the optics are somewhat different. The perceived non-PC, sectarian pact wolf can now be concealed in PC/pro-remain/pro-backstop sheep's clothing in the Belfast sphere.
The way this works is by bringing Alliance into a tripartite equation: them in EB, SF in NB, and the SDLP in SB -- with the relevant other two staying out. Then your average, conscientious SDLPer wax lyrical about the need to maximize pro-backstop representation (or, if you like, minimize anti-backstop representation).
There is nothing in this for the Greens admittedly other then making themselves more transfer-friendly.
Can you imagine the howls from the usual loopers on this site, were that to come about?

I can't see much in it for Alliance though, apart from abuse. I don't think it realistically brings East Belfast into play.

Based on the 2017 and 2015 elections, pretty much everyone else votes for either Alliance or DUP. There don't seem to be enough SDLP or SF votes to swing it for Alliance and it would allow the DUP to include Alliance in the 'Pan-Nationalist Front' and cannibalize what's left of the UUP / NI Conservative vote to ensure young Robinson holds the seat.
 

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Can you imagine the howls from the usual loopers on this site, were that to come about?

I can't see much in it for Alliance though, apart from abuse. I don't think it realistically brings East Belfast into play.

Based on the 2017 and 2015 elections, pretty much everyone else votes for either Alliance or DUP. There don't seem to be enough SDLP or SF votes to swing it for Alliance and it would allow the DUP to include Alliance in the 'Pan-Nationalist Front' and cannibalize what's left of the UUP / NI Conservative vote to ensure young Robinson holds the seat.
Agree that there's nothing in it for Alliance to agree to a pact. If SF are so keen on maximising the chances of thwarting Brexit then the only logical steps for them to take are to either take their seats at Westminster or stand aside for someone who will.
 

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Agree that there's nothing in it for Alliance to agree to a pact. If SF are so keen on maximising the chances of thwarting Brexit then the only logical steps for them to take are to either take their seats at Westminster or stand aside for someone who will.
SF want Brexit and a particularly disastrous one at that, but don't want to be seen as having caused it. This is calculated to help them in the push for a border poll. Expect nothing from that quarter.
 

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Can you imagine the howls from the usual loopers on this site, were that to come about?

I can't see much in it for Alliance though, apart from abuse. I don't think it realistically brings East Belfast into play.

Based on the 2017 and 2015 elections, pretty much everyone else votes for either Alliance or DUP. There don't seem to be enough SDLP or SF votes to swing it for Alliance and it would allow the DUP to include Alliance in the 'Pan-Nationalist Front' and cannibalize what's left of the UUP / NI Conservative vote to ensure young Robinson holds the seat.
It would probably suit Alliance not to go into a voter pact anyway because it would scupper any small prospect of winning back Belfast East, not that I think it likely unless the DUP endure another backlash on the scale of the "Swish Family Robinson" saga almost a decade ago.
 


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