Spain to UK: it's time to pay up for your pensioners.

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Watching some of the pro-Brexit media in the UK, one is presented with the image of a Britain which is saddled with supporting the rest of the European Union. There is only ever discussion of benefits that foreigners take in the UK: there's never any mention of British people in other EU countries and the privileges they get by being EU citizens.

Well, that may have to change because the Spanish, home to the largest community of British expats in the EU, are turning the screws. There are between 300,000 and 400,000 Britons living in Spain (in some areas they're nearly 50% of the population) and - and unlike Spaniards in the UK - they are twice as likely to be elderly as the native Spaniards.

Hence, they pose a much greater burden on Spanish health and social services and the Spaniards are saying "¡basta ya!". Enough is enough. After Brexit, the British government will have to pay to allow their pensioners to have access to these services in Spain.

Spain wants UK to foot healthcare bill for British citizens
 


olli rehn

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The Brits flooded Spain like locusts and clock up the Spanish health service. Some areas of Spain have now more than 50% Brits living there- while the native Spaniards had to emigrate to South America. Talk about population displacement.Time to send them back home !
 
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The Brits flooded Spain like locusts and clock up the Spanish health service. Some areas of Spain have now more than 50% Brits living there- while the native Spaniards had to emigrate to South America. Talk about population displacement.Time to send them back home !
Keep them there, olli, but let the SNS bill out the NHS for the services they provide.
 

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The Brits flooded Spain like locusts and clock up the Spanish health service. Some areas of Spain have now more than 50% Brits living there- while the native Spaniards had to emigrate to South America. Talk about population displacement.Time to send them back home !
Yes, Spaniards have emigrated to South America (and the UK) due to the disastrous EU.
Had the Brits (and Irish) not ploughed billions into property into Spain and filled Spanish banks with liquidity, I can only imagine had worse it would be.

Regarding healthcare, its all about precedence. If Spain wants to charge Brits for their citizens in Spain, then they will have to do the same and charge Morocco, Pakistan and Colombia for their citizens in Spain.
Otherwise it will be illegal and discriminatory under the ECHR.
The Spanish are blowing hard and spoofing for the upcoming election.
 

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Yes, Spaniards have emigrated to South America (and the UK) due to the disastrous EU.
Had the Brits (and Irish) not ploughed billions into property into Spain and filled Spanish banks with liquidity, I can only imagine had worse it would be.

Regarding healthcare, its all about precedence. If Spain wants to charge Brits for their citizens in Spain, then they will have to do the same and charge Morocco, Pakistan and Colombia for their citizens in Spain.
Otherwise it will be illegal and discriminatory under the ECHR.
The Spanish are blowing hard and spoofing for the upcoming election.
That's not how Article 14 of the ECHR works.

THe right to non-discrimination under the ECHR doesn't give a general right not to be discriminated against. Only to not be discriminated against in respect of the application of the other ECHR rights.

So if we talk about the rights in the ECHR - like privacy or a fair trial, if Spain decided to treat British people less favorably than any other nationality, that would be a breach of Article 14.

But if we're talking about something that's not an ECHR right - for example, there's no ECHR right to social welfare, so it does not breach Article 14 if a country discriminates against people based on nationality to claim social welfare. Healthcare is also not a right under the ECHR, so there is no right to non-discrimination.
 

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That's not how Article 14 of the ECHR works.

THe right to non-discrimination under the ECHR doesn't give a general right not to be discriminated against. Only to not be discriminated against in respect of the application of the other ECHR rights.

So if we talk about the rights in the ECHR - like privacy or a fair trial, if Spain decided to treat British people less favorably than any other nationality, that would be a breach of Article 14.

But if we're talking about something that's not an ECHR right - for example, there's no ECHR right to social welfare, so it does not breach Article 14 if a country discriminates against people based on nationality to claim social welfare. Healthcare is also not a right under the ECHR, so there is no right to non-discrimination.
Healthcare was deemed a human right by the Spanish Government 5 years ago when they decided that ILLEGAL immigrants in Spain were entitled to it.
Let the politicians go on TV and tell the public why illegal criminals are entitled to it but British pensioners who have lived there for maybe decades and paid thousands in taxes over the years are not entitled.
More Brexit scare stories.
Give it up ffs. It's over.
 

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The Brits flooded Spain like locusts and clock up the Spanish health service. Some areas of Spain have now more than 50% Brits living there- while the native Spaniards had to emigrate to South America. Talk about population displacement.Time to send them back home !
I see what you're doing there.
 

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The Brits flooded Spain like locusts and clock up the Spanish health service. Some areas of Spain have now more than 50% Brits living there- while the native Spaniards had to emigrate to South America. Talk about population displacement.Time to send them back home !
Absolutely agree. Glad you are seeing the light.
 

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Yes, Spaniards have emigrated to South America (and the UK) due to the disastrous EU.
Had the Brits (and Irish) not ploughed billions into property into Spain and filled Spanish banks with liquidity, I can only imagine had worse it would be.

Regarding healthcare, its all about precedence. If Spain wants to charge Brits for their citizens in Spain, then they will have to do the same and charge Morocco, Pakistan and Colombia for their citizens in Spain.
Otherwise it will be illegal and discriminatory under the ECHR.
The Spanish are blowing hard and spoofing for the upcoming election.
Your grasp of EU law is a little tenuous, I'm afraid.

As is your grasp of Spain's economic problems.
 

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It's not only Spain, British will need to have private medical insurance covers while traveling to any EU country. EHIC cards won't work for them any more.
 

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Yes, Spaniards have emigrated to South America (and the UK) due to the disastrous EU.
Had the Brits (and Irish) not ploughed billions into property into Spain and filled Spanish banks with liquidity, I can only imagine had worse it would be.

Regarding healthcare, its all about precedence. If Spain wants to charge Brits for their citizens in Spain, then they will have to do the same and charge Morocco, Pakistan and Colombia for their citizens in Spain.
Otherwise it will be illegal and discriminatory under the ECHR.
The Spanish are blowing hard and spoofing for the upcoming election.
You have a point there. Suppose Ireland decided to to do the same to its British population and then Britain retaliated....?

Would there be a constant trickle of poorly Irish turning up at the airport for treatment here before returning to the UK without contributing to the economy in any meaningful way? How would it work with the medical card system anyway and will there be howls of protest in the future if said health tourists are seen as a drain on precious resources?

Yet there may be a consequence even more terrible than that, should the Brits pack their bags and leave en masse then, OMG, think of the fall in house prices! Was there ever a greater threat to the comfort of the Dublin media!!
 

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It's not only Spain, British will need to have private medical insurance covers while traveling to any EU country. EHIC cards won't work for them any more.
Jaysus but those cards are brilliant. Son fell off playground swing in Co. Wexford. I took him to hospital and flashed the card, and the receptionist gave what was almost like that notorious Not The Nine O'Clock News response to the appearance of a credit card.
 

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Jaysus but those cards are brilliant. Son fell off playground swing in Co. Wexford. I took him to hospital and flashed the card, and the receptionist gave what was almost like that notorious Not The Nine O'Clock News response to the appearance of a credit card.
Obviously your wife's
 

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It's not only Spain, British will need to have private medical insurance covers while traveling to any EU country. EHIC cards won't work for them any more.
France tended to ignore it anyway and would send you bills for any medical treatment you received while there.
 

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Jaysus but those cards are brilliant. Son fell off playground swing in Co. Wexford. I took him to hospital and flashed the card, and the receptionist gave what was almost like that notorious Not The Nine O'Clock News response to the appearance of a credit card.
All emergency treatment is free for EU citizens in the all EU countries. If something serious happens the card guarantee you don't end up with a hefty bill, sometimes reaching tens of thousands of euros to pay. Some hospitals may even refuse expensive treatment if no funding is provided.
 
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You have a point there. Suppose Ireland decided to to do the same to its British population and then Britain retaliated....?

Would there be a constant trickle of poorly Irish turning up at the airport for treatment here before returning to the UK without contributing to the economy in any meaningful way? How would it work with the medical card system anyway and will there be howls of protest in the future if said health tourists are seen as a drain on precious resources?

Yet there may be a consequence even more terrible than that, should the Brits pack their bags and leave en masse then, OMG, think of the fall in house prices! Was there ever a greater threat to the comfort of the Dublin media!!
It's not really a comparable situation. Irish people in Britain and British people in Ireland have tended to be there long term, will have worked and contributed via taxes. British pensioners in Spain started going there as pensioners because their pensions go a lot further.
 

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They can't ignore it and even if they do, the bill will be void.
Absolutely, they were just trying it on which is why any such missive was instantly binned
 


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