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Spanish General Election 2019


Dame_Enda

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Franco was never really a politician, just an old fashioned military dictator on south American lines.
But with a Saudi-style male guardianship system for women. A woman needed a male family member's permission to go out in public alone. There were also Magdalene-style institutions for women the RCC disapproved of.
 


Breanainn

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Vote transfers between 2016 and 2019 have been fully analysed:

PSOE - Gained in equal measure from both Podemos and previous non-voters.
PP - Facing a real threat to their existence, as half their decline went to Vox on the right, while the other half moved to Ciudadanos in the centre.
Ciudadanos - Gained almost exclusively from the PP.
Podemos - Losses went directly to the Socialists.
Vox - Some votes from C's, but virtually all their votes came from ex-PP supporters.

 
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Still 7 minutes until polls close, but a leaked exit poll:

Right 166 (PP 71, Cs 51, Vox 42, Navarre alliance 2)
Left 151 (PSOE 107, Podemos 44)
Nationalist 33 (Catalan parties 20, Basque parties 9, Valencians 3, Canary Islands 1)

If replicated in results, another election would seem inevitable.
Well, they came close with Podemos ... who did the poll? some rightwing group, I'd imagine.
 

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But they aren't really "far right"
Just normal blokes reacting to insane PC liberalism where women overact and get hysterical about gang rapists getting acquitted and other "crazed" feminist stuff.
And of course if you gave one of them a good well deserved slap, you are the one who could end up in trouble, maybe even jailed.
EU political correctness gone mad I tell ya
True; the term "far right" - at least in European terms - would be better applied to the PP.
Vox are Extreme Right wing in European terms.
 

raetsel

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I did a bit of digging after my last post...so in RTE parlance "far right" means anti-abortion and SSM, mild EU skepticism, a sense of national pride and wanting to better manage immigration from Islamic countries and close mosques where extreme imams preach hate.

So by that definition I've just become "far right".
Well, when you want to force everyone else to live by your own subjective religious or moral standards, I'd guess that in most people's books that would make you a far-right fanatic these days.
 

Barroso

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Podemos sound very much like a leftish PDs.
Not really; the PDs - a modernising rightwing party - would be more similar to C's. Although C's didn't have a lot of recycled politicians from other parties in their ranks.
That said, the shadow of Aznar lies heavily over them; if I am not mistaken, they are funded, or at least they were funded initially, directly or indirectly by Aznar's foundation, FAES.
Initially set up as a trojan horse to capture the younger Spanish-speaking working class vote in Catalonia with youthful leaders and "modern" policies on divorce, abortion, homosexuality etc, they were then catapulted into the rest of Spain to take over from the PP which Aznar had lost control of after the 2003 bombings on the Madrid metro. So to a large extent, C's are simply young PP, and their leaders are from that stable or thereabouts.
 

Barroso

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Vote transfers between 2016 and 2019 have been fully analysed:

PSOE - Gained in equal measure from both Podemos and previous non-voters.
PP - Facing a real threat to their existence, as half their decline went to Vox on the right, while the other half moved to Ciudadanos in the centre.
Ciudadanos - Gained almost exclusively from the PP.
Podemos - Losses went directly to the Socialists.
Vox - Some votes from C's, but virtually all their votes came from ex-PP supporters.

As I've explained in a post above, C's are not centre, they are just a more up-to-date and younger version of the PP; as is evidenced by your sentence saying that they gained almost exclusively from the PP. Generational change/replacement, backed by that democratic wonderkid, Aznar.
 

Barroso

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There's an interesting graphic in the following video at 2:20, which shows a map of which parts of Spain were won by the left (PSOE and Podemos together) and which by the right (PP, C's and Vox).
The right won all the centre, including Valencia, Aragon, the Balearic Islands and Cantabria.
The left won Andalucia, Catalonia, the Basque regions, Asturia, Galicia and the Canary Islands.
In general trems, Castile (in the broad sense) against those with another identity.
 

Breanainn

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As I've explained in a post above, C's are not centre, they are just a more up-to-date and younger version of the PP; as is evidenced by your sentence saying that they gained almost exclusively from the PP. Generational change/replacement, backed by that democratic wonderkid, Aznar.
Agree - virtually indistinguishable from PP now, but it may have been the perception among PP voters that Rivera was less to the right than Casado.
 

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