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Staffing shortage of the naval service

cranberry1

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Two ships out of service at one time and the minister for defense lie's through his teeth
and says there in for routine maintenance , so tell us minister why would you take two ships out at once and not do the maintenance one at a time , lol , because your lying and don't have the staff to maintain the ships , what a joke the Irish defense forces are .
 


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Those would be the publicly acknowledged naval assets. Our gallant allies in the People's Republic of Cork have a restored U-Boat they found while out fishing a few years back.

T'wouldn't surprise me at all if satellite photos of the Thousand Islands area off West Cork were to suddenly reveal the PRC Jimmy Barry on maneouvers.
 

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Why don't we copy all the other great navies in the world, and have cheap labour to do the basics, and irish officers on the bridge?

How many fingers does it take to push a button?
 

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Two ships out of service at one time and the minister for defense lie's through his teeth
and says there in for routine maintenance , so tell us minister why would you take two ships out at once and not do the maintenance one at a time , lol , because your lying and don't have the staff to maintain the ships , what a joke the Irish defense forces are .
2 naval vessels going at knots around the Med assisting illegal criminal traffickers was bound to lead to maintenance issues. Instead, they should be doing what they are intended for, patrolling Irish waters for drug smugglers and illegal foreign fishing vessels. Blame Veradkar and his cronies, Coveney, Flanagan and the rest of our open border politicians (that means all of them).
 

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Two ships out of service at one time and the minister for defense lie's through his teeth
and says there in for routine maintenance , so tell us minister why would you take two ships out at once and not do the maintenance one at a time , lol , because your lying and don't have the staff to maintain the ships , what a joke the Irish defense forces are .
The Minister for Defence is Leo Varadkar and he said no such thing. The Minister of State at Defence said that the ships were in for routine maintenance.
 

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"Fianna Fáil's Defence spokesperson Jack Chambers said there has been "too much spin and deflection" on the retention crisis in the Defence Forces.

He accused Mr Kehoe of being in a "bunker of denial" over reports that two naval ships had been taken out of service due to insufficient crew numbers."

"Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Mr Chambers said he was quite surprised that Minister Kehoe would so publically dismiss the concerns of such a senior officer in the Defence Forces. "

""For the minister to undermine a senior staff member is a very serious development.

"Paul Kehoe said that no ships were tied up due to manpower issues - I think he needs to stop playing a game of pretend with our Defence Forces.

"If we only have manpower for six- and-a-half ships, but we have nine ships, how on earth does anyone believe him when he says there's no manpower issues?"

Mr Chambers said Minister Kehoe has "inappropriately involved" Chief of Staff Vice Admiral Mark Mellett, into the equation by referencing him on Twitter.

He called on the minister to show honesty, integrity, and transparency."

Sounds like a right mess but what's the solution?

Also is Kehoe becoming yet another FG minister who stumbles from one crisis and mistake to another?
 

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It seems the navy want more money, for more staff, so they are leaving 2 ships at a time "in for maintenance" indefinitely.
Which they say would not be necessary if they had more of the experienced personnel.

Personally I wouldn't have much sympathy for them. They wasted their own time and millions of euros worth of diesel providing a taxi service in the Med for illegal immigrants between Libya and Italy. That went on for several years.
Just before this started they had commissioned a new ship, the LE Niamh, which was deployed to the Med.
During the heyday of this operation they commissioned 2 additional new ships; the LE Sam Beckett (2014) and the LE James Joyce (2015)
They now have so many ships the Taoiseach has lost count of them.

And now that Salvini has banned them from going anywhere near Italy, and the French, Spanish and Maltese have become equally unappreciative, all the ships are back here looking for something to do.
It sounds like they now have more ships than they need.

Why not sell one or two of the older ones?
There's always a Libyan warlord looking to buy a cheap frigate.
 

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Which is a lie.
No, they are in for maintenace, the difference is they won't be put back into service when the maintenance is completed because of crew shortages.
 

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Kehoe is a former breeze block salesman so don't expect miracles.I hope our defense of Rockall will not be affected.
 

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Kehoe is a former breeze block salesman so don't expect miracles.I hope our defense of Rockall will not be affected.
Even with the two extra ships in service, I don't fancy our chances against the Royal Navy.
However I believe the water around the Rockall bank is quite shallow, and most of the southern part of the bank is within the Irish economic zone.
If the ships could be put to work ferrying Kehoe and his concrete blocks up there, we could create a new island in about 10 years. Kehoe could be kept busy throwing the blocks overboard.
Is that about the same length of time the Irish Navy spent ferrying migrants from Africa to Europe? At least we'd have something to show for it in the end. A new private fishing area with its own 12 mile territorial limit.
Plus, ownership rights to any future oil and gas finds in the area.
 

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Two ships out of service at one time and the minister for defense lie's through his teeth
and says there in for routine maintenance , so tell us minister why would you take two ships out at once and not do the maintenance one at a time , lol , because your lying and don't have the staff to maintain the ships , what a joke the Irish defense forces are .
Were his lips moving?
 

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Why don't we copy all the other great navies in the world, and have cheap labour to do the basics, and irish officers on the bridge?

How many fingers does it take to push a button?
how much cheaper do you want it to be?
 

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It seems the navy want more money, for more staff, so they are leaving 2 ships at a time "in for maintenance" indefinitely.
Which they say would not be necessary if they had more of the experienced personnel.

Personally I wouldn't have much sympathy for them. They wasted their own time and millions of euros worth of diesel providing a taxi service in the Med for illegal immigrants between Libya and Italy. That went on for several years.
Just before this started they had commissioned a new ship, the LE Niamh, which was deployed to the Med.
During the heyday of this operation they commissioned 2 additional new ships; the LE Sam Beckett (2014) and the LE James Joyce (2015)
They now have so many ships the Taoiseach has lost count of them.

And now that Salvini has banned them from going anywhere near Italy, and the French, Spanish and Maltese have become equally unappreciative, all the ships are back here looking for something to do.
It sounds like they now have more ships than they need.

Why not sell one or two of the older ones?
There's always a Libyan warlord looking to buy a cheap frigate.
They wouldn't have done those things in the Med if not instructed so to do by the minister,
 

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