Stalinists at NTA find solution to Dublin transport crisis: Buses

brigg

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A charming middle zone... indeed.

You sound a bit like Michael McDowell, railing against the Dublin Metro because of the effect it will have on one tiny part of Ranelagh.
Walking from Lansdowne Road to Sandymount every morning shortly after 9, is like walking into a twilight zone. No traffic, no pedestrians, eerily quiet save for the occasional elderly dog walker.
Lifeless, soulless, stuffy.
Sure it might look nice, but compared to the multicultural, vibrant, north county Dublin town that I hail from, Sandymount feels like a vast retirement home.
An enclave of nimbys.
 


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I was on this earlier in the year a suspended rail thing in Wuppertal it is over a hundred years old.
Nice views from the stations which are also a good spot to have a smoke.
 

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Simple solution. Inventivise business to locate jobs out of the central area and increase housing space there. You have a situation where all the cars and buses are heading for central Dublin along the spokes of a wheel and then being squeezed into too small a place.

Provide free park and ride as an alternative and ban cars entirely between the canals for non residents.

Fast track the development of an adequate underground and/or light rail system.

Any number of things can be done.
 

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Well why don't the free marketeers in power just adopt the same approach as in other areas - no nothing, and let the "market" sort it out?
Lefties love the idea of forcing people out of their cars and into a Union controlled Dublin Bus monopoly.

They would be able to hold the city to ransom, shutting the place down for weeks on end.
 

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After many decades of incompetence and corruption Dublin has degenerated into a three zone city.

(1) a fully welfare dependent, crime-ridden, junkie infested, inner zone
(2) a nearly equally squalid outer zone of ugly housing estates with poor infrastructure and intractable social problems
(3) a charming middle zone consisting of elegant edwardian, victorian and georgian housing with vibrant amenities

Geniuses at the National Transport Authority have come up with a plan to link the inner and outer shïtholes by demolishing the middle zone.

To make way for wider bus lanes and cycle paths, thousands of well established houses will have their front gardens demolished. Or worse.

Much of Dublin's finest exterior architecture is to be bulldozed so that inner city shoplifters can get more quickly to out-of-town shopping centres. CPOs will be used to crush any resistance. It's a stroke of Stalinist Genius. Or Maoist.

Dublins transport problems are real, but this destructive cheapskate plan isn't a solution. It just kicks the can down the road and will cause irreversible damage.

The fabric of the city is fragile. It must be protected from idiots pushing bad policy.

Are they planning on taking some of your mammy's garden ? Don't worry I'm sure they won't touch your box room.
 

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Well why don't the free marketeers in power just adopt the same approach as in other areas - no nothing, and let the "market" sort it out?
that is happening in a way. The state is following the market on this. People are moving out of the city. With Air bandb and coffee shops the main habitats of the city are becoming tourists and the facilities are to meet their short term needs. Still a lot of people work in the city this proposal is about speeding up the commute in and out.

If the state wanted to take the lead on this it could end all its leases on buildings between the canals and move the civil service jobs outside, it is one of the biggest players in the Dublin market but the most meekest, that is not mentioning its potential to use legislative power to crush air b and b if it wished.
 

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that is happening in a way. The state is following the market on this. People are moving out of the city. With Air bandb and coffee shops the main habitats of the city are becoming tourists and the facilities are to meet their short term needs. Still a lot of people work in the city this proposal is about speeding up the commute in and out.

If the state wanted to take the lead on this it could end all its leases on buildings between the canals and move the civil service jobs outside, it is one of the biggest players in the Dublin market but the most meekest, that is not mentioning its potential to use legislative power to crush air b and b if it wished.
Bullshítter

From CSO Dublin Central has the fastest rate of population growth in the Country, after Dublin North West.

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_2_Geographical_distribution.pdf
 

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Bullshítter

From CSO Dublin Central has the fastest rate of population growth in the Country, after Dublin North West.

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_2_Geographical_distribution.pdf
Alot of that constituency is dublin suburbs. Glassnevin, drumcondra, Cabra, hardly smack in the city centre.

Did you read the report you linked to.

An increasing no of people are living in urban centres outside dublin appears to be the jist of it. is it that mad to suggest it is dublin people moving out. People who continue to work in dublin living out side it.
 
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Stalinist??? unfortunately not...homeowners will get compensated for the loss of their manky gardens.
 

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Lefties love the idea of forcing people out of their cars and into a Union controlled Dublin Bus monopoly.

They would be able to hold the city to ransom, shutting the place down for weeks on end.
As opposed to people in cars shutting the city down on a daily basis.
 

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After many decades of incompetence and corruption Dublin has degenerated into a three zone city.

(1) a fully welfare dependent, crime-ridden, junkie infested, inner zone
(2) a nearly equally squalid outer zone of ugly housing estates with poor infrastructure and intractable social problems
(3) a charming middle zone consisting of elegant edwardian, victorian and georgian housing with vibrant amenities

Geniuses at the National Transport Authority have come up with a plan to link the inner and outer shïtholes by demolishing the middle zone.

To make way for wider bus lanes and cycle paths, thousands of well established houses will have their front gardens demolished. Or worse.

Much of Dublin's finest exterior architecture is to be bulldozed so that inner city shoplifters can get more quickly to out-of-town shopping centres. CPOs will be used to crush any resistance. It's a stroke of Stalinist Genius. Or Maoist.

Dublins transport problems are real, but this destructive cheapskate plan isn't a solution. It just kicks the can down the road and will cause irreversible damage.

The fabric of the city is fragile. It must be protected from idiots pushing bad policy.
It is a generally bad idea to argue with idiots. So, I'm not going to .

Apparently(According to Voltaire) only Dublin 4 is worthwhile in the whole city of Dublin.

Those of us who live elsewhere in Dublin have a different view.

Making it easier to get to work seems , to me , a very good idea.

Getting people out of their cars(by offering a rational alternative) is wise.


Losing your front garden is going to hurt. I have genuine sympathy(I am not affected). I offer no words of comfort . You face a stark choice "Take the Compensation, sell , and move elsewhere" or "Take the compensation and stay".

I do not intend that "Take the compensation " should sound facile. Stay or move residents who lose their gardens will suffer severe disruption.

However this plan must happen. Dublin cannot allow the present traffic congestion to continue or to grow.
 

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It is a generally bad idea to argue with idiots. So, I'm not going to .

Apparently(According to Voltaire) only Dublin 4 is worthwhile in the whole city of Dublin.

Those of us who live elsewhere in Dublin have a different view.

Making it easier to get to work seems , to me , a very good idea.

Getting people out of their cars(by offering a rational alternative) is wise.


Losing your front garden is going to hurt. I have genuine sympathy(I am not affected). I offer no words of comfort . You face a stark choice "Take the Compensation, sell , and move elsewhere" or "Take the compensation and stay".

I do not intend that "Take the compensation " should sound facile. Stay or move residents who lose their gardens will suffer severe disruption.

However this plan must happen. Dublin cannot allow the present traffic congestion to continue or to grow.
Where have we heard that shïte before?

There Is No Alternative. TINA. It's the statist imbeciles' motto.

In fact there are better alternatives. Light rail and underground. Higher capacity and future-proof.

High-end inner city residential development where people actually want to live. End the ridiculous tolerance for junkies, crime and welfare parasitism in central Dublin.

Limit private car traffic e.g. congestion charging. Too many people make unnecessary journeys through central Dublin. Tax these fückwits off the road.

It is always bad policy to do permanent damage to enforce a short-term short-stopgap solution. Dublin's growth potential in terms of population and economy is much higher than the Stalinist clowns of NTA realise. The bus plan would hurt the growth potential of what is the largest English-speaking capital city of the EU. It must be abandoned and proper alternatives pursued without delay.
 
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We know from experience that Ireland will not carry out an SEA assessment under 2001/42/EC Directive. We know that it will not carry out a modification of any existing SEA and we know that the courts will not uphold a legal challenge by citizens. We have no say and the EU does nothing about it

This is town and country planning pure and simple.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:32001L0042
 

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Where have we heard that shïte before?

There Is No Alternative. TINA. It's the statist imbeciles' motto.

In fact there are better alternatives. Light rail and underground. Higher capacity and future-proof.

High-end inner city residential development where people actually want to live. End the ridiculous tolerance for junkies, crime and welfare parasitism in central Dublin.

Limit private car traffic e.g. congestion charging. Too many people make unnecessary journeys through central Dublin. Tax these fückwits off the road.

It is always bad policy to do permanent damage to enforce a short-term short-stopgap solution. Dublin's growth potential in terms of population and economy is much higher than the Stalinist clowns of NTA realise. The bus plan would hurt the growth potential of what is the largest English-speaking capital city of the EU. It must be abandoned and proper alternatives pursued without delay.
Light rail on the surface is not an alternative. And talk to your mate Michael McDowell, about his objection to the Metro. Some people are just too comfortable with the status quo. They aren't affected by the traffic chaos. Only in Ireland, would people refer to essential infrastructure that should have been built decades ago as Stalinist.
 

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Where have we heard that shïte before?

There Is No Alternative. TINA. It's the statist imbeciles' motto.

In fact there are better alternatives. Light rail and underground. Higher capacity and future-proof.

High-end inner city residential development where people actually want to live. End the ridiculous tolerance for junkies, crime and welfare parasitism in central Dublin.

Limit private car traffic e.g. congestion charging. Too many people make unnecessary journeys through central Dublin. Tax these fückwits off the road.

It is always bad policy to do permanent damage to enforce a short-term short-stopgap solution. Dublin's growth potential in terms of population and economy is much higher than the Stalinist clowns of NTA realise. The bus plan would hurt the growth potential of what is the largest English-speaking capital city of the EU. It must be abandoned and proper alternatives pursued without delay.
Even NTA admit that there are light rail alternatives.

Nobody should have their property bulldozed to make way for fücking buses.
 

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High-end inner city residential development where people actually want to live. End the ridiculous tolerance for junkies, crime and welfare parasitism in central Dublin.

Limit private car traffic e.g. congestion charging. Too many people make unnecessary journeys through central Dublin. Tax these fückwits off the road.
Well said Sir.
 

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Spacious, elegant, safe, the Moscow Metro is a tribute to Soviet engineering and planning.
Let's hope there are those in Dublin transportation with some of the same vision, even if it means Voltaire can't park his car in the doorway of his favourite shop.
 


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