State must release land to end Housing Shortage

Voluntary

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.

"The supply of land in the greater Dublin area is not there for the housebuilder. I know many housebuilders and they just don't have enough land. It's not available and it's tightly-held. The Government are in control of land with the local authorities and public bodies control a lot of land in the greater Dublin area.

"I think seriously, that they [the Government] need to start releasing it and doing joint ventures with housebuilders who would deliver the product. Until they do that, it [the housing situation] is going to be the way that it is right now. There's going to be very little improvement on the supply side."


"The infrastructure is there for the land. It's just a matter of getting the land released so people like myself and my peers in the housebuilding sector who I know very well and talk to [can build homes]. They're all having the same problem. They just can't their hands on the land to build homes," he said."


"State land is everywhere and it's not being managed. It needs to be freed up. It's all over the city centre and it's simply being hoarded".
State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
 


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The government and FF prefer to keep house prices artificially high and have another housing bubble. Your right the State should be releasing land to be sold for housing or high rise apartment developments.
 

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The Government have just announced they intend to bring in another 37,000 people in over the next four years

- while the State faces a massive shortage of accommodation for its own Citizens!

It aims to attract an additional 37,000 international students over the next four years, bringing the total number to 176,000.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1007/822073-international-students-ireland/

The reason we have a massive shortage is the complete absence of planning and co ordination at Government level

- and an open door Mass Immigration policy

The first step is control the numbers coming in

- and prioritising the housing needs of Irish Citizens FIRST
 

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The main reason not to release land to build more housing is obvious.

Over half on housing list are foreign - Herald.ie

Unsustainable and not affordable. I'm not paying or voting for a party who believes that free housing for blow in chancers is the way to go, leave stupid policies to the likes of SF or PBP idiots.
So the government is keeping inflated house prices while hurting Irish families solely to keep foreigners away? Interesting point of view. Seriously innovative.
 

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.


State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
The Establishment Political class will do nothing that will impact on their financial gain from property shortages. They Political classes have enriched themselves from exorbitant rents in the last few years. There is too much vested interests from the Establishment so dont expect any release of lands.
 

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So the government is keeping inflated house prices while hurting Irish families solely to keep foreigners away? Interesting point of view. Seriously innovative.
Don't be so fluxing thick. Don't be housing the outside world while Irish citizens need housing. The country needs a new political party because the shower we have a re all traitors.
 

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As long as it isn't parkland or used for recreation I don't have a problem with the concept.
The problem is that apparently the developers are the ones holding onto their vast amount of land until they can recreate the bubble level prices they lust after.
If the govt does have such land they should develop it themselves as the developers are holding hundreds of thousands of renters to ransom in their greed.
If a sector of the economy isn't working the govt should step in, it is a complete disgrace that they are sitting on their hands waiting for Johnny Ronan and the like to find a margin they like.
6 years of FG and they have done nothing on the issue, FF would be as bad no doubt but at least we know that FF are in the builders pockets.
 

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As long as it isn't parkland or used for recreation I don't have a problem with the concept.
The problem is that apparently the developers are the ones holding onto their vast amount of land until they can recreate the bubble level prices they lust after.
Releasing State's land would obviously hurt current land speculators hoarding land. The new available land would put a downside pressure on land prices for many, many years to come. Current land hoarders won't be waiting that long, they'd most likely change their business plans and start releasing land themselves. It's not an option to wait another 20 years, there may be 2 property crashes in the meantime, so this would mean adding very large new risks for land hoarders.

If the govt does have such land they should develop it themselves as the developers are holding hundreds of thousands of renters to ransom in their greed.
This is an option, but I personally wouldn't trust any State managed 'business' to be any efficient. Rather the opposite, short term planning (from election to election), politically driven management etc.
Better to auction the land hoarded by the state, start selling in small batches via public auctions with some rules and conditions regarding developing such land so it doesn't get hoarded any further after being sold.

Public auctions is the way to go, with full transparency regarding both: conditions and pricing.

If a sector of the economy isn't working the govt should step in, it is a complete disgrace that they are sitting on their hands waiting for Johnny Ronan and the like to find a margin they like.
6 years of FG and they have done nothing on the issue, FF would be as bad no doubt but at least we know that FF are in the builders pockets.
If the market isn't working the government should step in. But maybe the market isn't working because of government's policies.
Releasing land via public auctions would be fixing the obvious barriers.
 

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Deport the immigrants and nationalise any land needed to house our own Gaelic people. Problem solved.
 

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Developer - euphemism for parasite.

Is there a shortage of housing stock or is it that what stock there is isn't used efficiently.
It is the Establishment Political class that is the parasite. Developers like all people will do what they can to make capital. It is our Political vested interests that enables parasitic practices, simple as!
 

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Releasing State's land would obviously hurt current land speculators hoarding land. The new available land would put a downside pressure on land prices for many, many years to come. Current land hoarders won't be waiting that long, they'd most likely change their business plans and start releasing land themselves. It's not an option to wait another 20 years, there may be 2 property crashes in the meantime, so this would mean adding very large new risks for land hoarders.

They don't need to wait 20 years or anything like it, the govt have their backs and if it wasn't for the pesky central bank the property prices would be much higher by now, we don't have a normal market here, whether that is as a result of cartels or other dodgy behaviour we will never know because we have a dreadfully inept white collar section of AGS, deliberately so.

This is an option, but I personally wouldn't trust any State managed 'business' to be any efficient. Rather the opposite, short term planning (from election to election), politically driven management etc.
Better to auction the land hoarded by the state, start selling in small batches via public auctions with some rules and conditions regarding developing such land so it doesn't get hoarded any further after being sold.

The govt have built tens of thousands of houses over the decades and there are plenty of builders businesses here and in Europe that they could tender the builds to, personally I see no reason why we don't just buy up the production of one of the industrial house production companies in Europe or just build our own and churn out very high quality the way it should be done in the modern world as opposed to the retro practices here
Public auctions is the way to go, with full transparency regarding both: conditions and pricing.

Public auctions are always the way to go for any asset that the state intends to sell, the individuals just cannot be trusted and the Ministers like Noonan are too lazy or inept or maybe worse so they do nothing when the dodginess appears.

If the market isn't working the government should step in. But maybe the market isn't working because of government's policies.
Releasing land via public auctions would be fixing the obvious barriers.
There is more to it than that IMHO, NAMA and the public ownership of the banks and the facilitation of the developers so they didn't just go bankrupt and lose their assets the way a normal unconnected citizen would, the bundling up of huge amounts of assets to be sold to massive extra-national vulture funds rather than letting them be bought by smaller buyers in Ireland, the inaction of the govt when the banks refuse to give loans and when they refuse to reduce mortgage rates and the govt sitting on vast landbanks and more... The govt have the developers backs on this one, whether it is because they are hand in glove with them or if they are just so monumentally thick that they believe that the rogues gallery of developers and their egg-box houses are too skilled and clever to lose.
 

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The main reason not to release land to build more housing is obvious.

Over half on housing list are foreign - Herald.ie

Unsustainable and not affordable. I'm not paying or voting for a party who believes that free housing for blow in chancers is the way to go, leave stupid policies to the likes of SF or PBP idiots.
Who are these "blow in chancers", that you speak of? Numbers, origin and status, please.
 

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.


State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
We have already an incredible stock of vacant housing both in dereliction and in good condition, as Cruimh alluded to. It seems like a silly idea to hand over more to private developers if there seems to be an existing incentive not to use already existing housing... as housing. That seems like wastage. We need to incentivise the people holding empty housing to make it so that it becomes useful and will be used.

Following on from that, the state I'm sure does have a lot of land in stock. Also it spends an incredible amount of time and money sending experienced out-of-work people on all manners of courses, schemes and bridges, so with a little inginuity, the state can easily develop itself. Or hire to do it.
 

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Is this incredible stock of vacant houses in Dublin? Also, why do you call building homes on empty land wasting this land? Nobody's also talking about giving out the land, but selling through public auctions. Imaginr how much money could councils get from such auctions which could be spent on infrastructure improvements. Everybody wins, the only looser would be the current land hoarder awaiting property bubble to inflate to offload overpaid assets to people.
 

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Who are these "blow in chancers", that you speak of? Numbers, origin and status, please.
The link clearly shows that in 2011 2362 non EU nationals listed on final social housing list. That is 2362 people who came here looking for for a free house at the tax payers expense. It is now 2016 and I doubt the figure has reduced. Nowe, you might have no problem housing these chances with higher taxes but I'm not and I'll vone that way in the next GENERATION. Time to ask spoofed tds the difficult questions.
 


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