State must release land to end Housing Shortage

truthandjustice

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The link clearly shows that in 2011 2362 non EU nationals listed on final social housing list. That is 2362 people who came here looking for for a free house at the tax payers expense. It is now 2016 and I doubt the figure has reduced. Nowe, you might have no problem housing these chances with higher taxes but I'm not and I'll vone that way in the next GENERATION. Time to ask spoofed tds the difficult questions.
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No point blaming the immigrants for this sorry mess. Lay the blame squarely on the Establishment Political parties.
Who encourage Mass Immigration

We must at least immediately remove the right to be housed

- from Migrants who cannot put a roof over their own heads

- from their own pockets
 

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The link clearly shows that in 2011 2362 non EU nationals listed on final social housing list. That is 2362 people who came here looking for for a free house at the tax payers expense. It is now 2016 and I doubt the figure has reduced. Nowe, you might have no problem housing these chances with higher taxes but I'm not and I'll vone that way in the next GENERATION. Time to ask spoofed tds the difficult questions.

2,362? That's all you have to offer?

Now, their status? What do you know of their backgrounds? You have determined that they are chancers, so share your analysis...otherwise one might conclude that the person using a truthandjustice moniker, is a chancer.
 

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Don't be so fluxing thick. Don't be housing the outside world while Irish citizens need housing. The country needs a new political party because the shower we have a re all traitors.

Nothing stopping you starting one...

I'd say there are quite a few on here who share your views....

Problem is sock puppet accounts can't vote twice.....:lol:
 

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.


State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
And we should listen to developers whose whose psychotic greed helped bankrupt the state....:roll:

If the state is releasing land for housing we should build it ourselves in the public and national interest and reap the rewards socially and financially for the citizen without the need of middle men and 'fixers'....
 

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The government and FF prefer to keep house prices artificially high and have another housing bubble. Your right the State should be releasing land to be sold for housing or high rise apartment developments.
We can't even trust the developers to build low rise successfully FFS.....

Seriously have you had your head up your hole for the last 15 years or does Priory Hall and the many programmes and articles about the issues with Fire hazard,Pyrite and other building deficiencies in many housing estates just passed you by...

Maybe you would like to outline how these people are going to avoid such occurrences in the future before allowing them to get their mitts on land held in trust on behalf of the citizen...
 

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Yeah, lets ban building houses completely then we will definitely not have any more fckups like priory hall or pyrite.

Is there no other way to assure quality than to hide land away from developers?
 

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And we should listen to developers whose whose psychotic greed helped bankrupt the state....:roll:

If the state is releasing land for housing we should build it ourselves in the public and national interest and reap the rewards socially and financially for the citizen without the need of middle men and 'fixers'....
Picture a semi-state building company, with golden pensions all round.
The cost of housing would be higher than it is today.
 

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Picture a semi-state building company, with golden pensions all round.
The cost of housing would be higher than it is today.
Irish don't really realize what can happen to state owned or semi state owned businesses when ruling class changes. We had FF/FG here for long time so this was never really an issue, but it's enough to look outside at other countries. Replacement of all the management after election with party friendly colleges, draining cash from companies to fulfill populist election promises, political goals in place of business related goals. And many, many more. This will all happen in case high populist government gets into ruling. Privatization protects assets from politicians idiocy. The more assets belongs to the State - the more the ruling class will plunder and destroy.
 

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One in five TD's are landlord's. Alan Shatter has a huge property portfolio hence mass immigration. Alan needs huge rents and does not mind if the tax payer is footing the bill.

Nearly one in five TDs are landlords, registry shows | Irish Examiner

As others have pointed out vested interests feathering their own nests
That is a problem indeed. Also, the budget is too much dependent on high rents - higher the rents - higher the income tax, so more money to give away in budgets to win elections. When rents go down - government has less to give away.

It would be smart to do something to break the circle of budget being dependent on income from increasing rents.
 

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Picture a semi-state building company, with golden pensions all round.
The cost of housing would be higher than it is today.

If that's the case then you should leave as there is no solution to the problem....


The current solution being proposed by the OP is akin to "lets get the band back together and go on the road as it's the only game in town "

And we all know how that will pan out in a few years......
 

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It's been just pointed out that the State is basically holding the key to resolving the housing shortage. According to developer Sean Mulryan the State is hoarding enormous portions of land which (if released) could quickly sort out our housing shortage crisis.


State must release land to end housing shortage - Independent.ie

Some serious questions should be asked about the government's policies in the light of the housing shortage crisis. Why is the government trying to implement some sub-standard measures like grants for FTB's or rent controls, while having a life-changer tool in hand and refusing to use it.

The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.
What state owned/local authority owned lands in Dublin is he referring to?
 

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Irish don't really realize what can happen to state owned or semi state owned businesses when ruling class changes. We had FF/FG here for long time so this was never really an issue, but it's enough to look outside at other countries. Replacement of all the management after election with party friendly colleges, draining cash from companies to fulfill populist election promises, political goals in place of business related goals. And many, many more. This will all happen in case high populist government gets into ruling. Privatization protects assets from politicians idiocy. The more assets belongs to the State - the more the ruling class will plunder and destroy.

Ah now we get to the heart of it....it was all hunky dory once FF-FG are in the driving seat but now with them barely over 50% between them it's time to privatize everything to make sure those who have been robbing us blind for decades are well insulated....

So instead of the gold plated semi state pensions Mr A refered to we will have a select group of private individuals controlling all the wealth including whats left of public infrastructure and land...

Nothing to do with the public good or any compassion for those without a home and all to do with money and keeping it in the 'right' hands....
 
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The question should be asked: do we really want to help families and sort the housing shortage problem once and for all, or do we keep implementing all the counter-productive measures (costing taxpayer millions) while keeping home ownership a sole domain of rich.

The state / politicians /civil service want to create demand by holding back supply. Nama is a sort of huge bridging loan to allow a slow release of sites.

It's crazy, much better to have the american system where debt is written off and assets are sold at rock bottom prices. Then loans restart based on cashflows. Property then rises on value.

As Mr Mulryan's company was saved by Nama you would think he would cut them some slack :lol:

"do we really want to help families"?? No the state was happy to see the back of 100,000 during the crash. The state has always seen the good of the people as an incidental plus in whatever it does.
 

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The maFFia and the blueshirts don't want the state to have anything to do with house building.The maFFia and blueshirts landlords would start to lose a few bob,and thats the simple reason.
 

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We can't even trust the developers to build low rise successfully FFS.....

Seriously have you had your head up your hole for the last 15 years or does Priory Hall and the many programmes and articles about the issues with Fire hazard,Pyrite and other building deficiencies in many housing estates just passed you by...

Maybe you would like to outline how these people are going to avoid such occurrences in the future before allowing them to get their mitts on land held in trust on behalf of the citizen...
So lets have more suburban sprawl, one can have well built successful high rise developments without having a Priory Hall or Longboat Quay type scandal, if other well developed cities can go high rise, why can't Dublin, Cork, Limerick or Galway?
 

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The state / politicians /civil service want to create demand by holding back supply. Nama is a sort of huge bridging loan to allow a slow release of sites.

It's crazy, much better to have the american system where debt is written off and assets are sold at rock bottom prices. Then loans restart based on cashflows. Property then rises on value.

As Mr Mulryan's company was saved by Nama you would think he would cut them some slack :lol:

"do we really want to help families"?? No the state was happy to see the back of 100,000 during the crash. The state has always seen the good of the people as an incidental plus in whatever it does.

So it's not the altruistic nature of those great philanthropists,the developer class whose whole raison d'être is to construct for the public good aren't holding things back to increase their profit margins....?

Thanks for clearing that up.......


The head of NAMA would beg to differ......

Developers waiting to make a killing threaten recovery
 


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